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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Jake Maxwell on May 15, 2025, 11:17:01 PM
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Charles Hester, who is seen in Zapruder's pre-motorcade film, sitting with his wife, who is on a park bench in Dealey Plaza, says the following in his testimony:
"My wife, Beatrice, and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out."
Does Willis #5 contradict Hester's testimony? It looks like he was sitting on the park bench, which had been moved from the Pergola...
If he had been on trial, it seems he would have perjured himself...
Here's Willis #5... (Revised) Does the arrow show Hester sitting on the bench only seconds before the fatal shot?
(https://i.ibb.co/jPm0TfBX/Screenshot-2025-05-15-at-4-07-36-PM.png)
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Charles Hester, who is seen in Zapruder's pre-motorcade film, sitting with his wife, who is on a park bench in Dealey Plaza, says the following in his testimony:
"My wife, Beatrice, and I were sitting on the grass on the slope on Elm Street where the park is located. When President Kennedy's car got almost down to the underpass, I heard two shots ring out."
Does Willis #5 contradict Hester's testimony? It looks like he was sitting on the park bench, which had been moved from the Pergola...
If he had been on trial, it seems he would have perjured himself...
Here's Willis #5... (Revised) Does the arrow show Hester sitting on the bench only seconds before the fatal shot?
(https://i.ibb.co/jPm0TfBX/Screenshot-2025-05-15-at-4-07-36-PM.png)
Did anyone ever challenge Hester on his "false" testimony?
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Here's an image of Hester's full testimony... I wonder if he was following a "script" and just saying what he was supposed to say... certainly not aware that photo and film would show him on the bench (this is not a confirmed fact)...
(Revised) He says he saw the shooting... How could he have seen the shooting if (as he says) the fatal shot or shots (two) were fired when Kennedy's limo was almost to the overpass (underpass) whether he was on the grass or perhaps on the bench??
(https://i.ibb.co/wNhpD6fc/Screenshot-2025-05-16-at-12-13-53-PM.png)
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Both Hester's were interviewed by FBI Agents on 11/24/63. The Agents filed reports on the Hester interviews. The Hester's these Agents interviewed claimed to be on the OTHER SIDE (S) SIDE OF ELM ST. when 2 Shots were fired. I have always found it strange on the Bell Film, we see Both Zapruder and Sitzman after they had just climbed down from the Zapruder Perch. The Hester's are on the ground to their immediate (L), yet neither Sitzman or Zapruder check to see if the Hester's there on the ground are OK. Yet, Zapruder was Filming Sitzman, and the Hester's only minutes before seeing the Hester's on the ground there after shots were fired? Mrs Hester and Sitzman both worked for Zapruder too. On top of ALL of this, neither Zapruder or Sitzman EVER mentioned seeing the Hester's on the ground only seconds after the JFK Kill Shot. ALL of this just does Not add up. Not even close.
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Both Hester's were interviewed by FBI Agents on 11/24/63. The Agents filed reports on the Hester interviews. The Hester's these Agents interviewed claimed to be on the OTHER SIDE (S) SIDE OF ELM ST. when 2 Shots were fired. I have always found it strange on the Bell Film, we see Both Zapruder and Sitzman after they had just climbed down from the Zapruder Perch. The Hester's are on the ground to their immediate (L), yet neither Sitzman or Zapruder check to see if the Hester's there on the ground are OK. Yet, Zapruder was Filming Sitzman, and the Hester's only minutes before seeing the Hester's on the ground there after shots were fired? Mrs Hester and Sitzman both worked for Zapruder too. On top of ALL of this, neither Zapruder or Sitzman EVER mentioned seeing the Hester's on the ground only seconds after the JFK Kill Shot. ALL of this just does Not add up. Not even close.
About the only thing correct about Hester's testimony is that he had a wife named Beatrice... and I wouldn't bet too much on that!
His testimony ought to be closely examined by an attorney... even a junior attorney should get this right. He sounds like he is trying to say what he thinks he's supposed to say...
(Revised) AND... didn't he have a camera on site (this is not confirmed, but has been suggested)? What was the purpose of that? Did he take any photos? Where are they? Come on junior attorney, probe him on that...
(Revised) OR... maybe (if he had a camera) the camera was just a prop, so he could (perhaps) sit on the bench (if that is Hester on the bench), provide some cover for the nefarious, and provide false testimony if needed... like, "No, we were sitting there... and didn't see anyone..."
Yeah... right...
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(1) WHO has Ever ID'd the man sitting on the bench in Wills 5 as being Mr Hester?
(2) WHY do you think that Mr Hester might have had a camera with him?
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(1) WHO has Ever ID'd the man sitting on the bench in Wills 5 as being Mr Hester?
(2) WHY do you think that Mr Hester might have had a camera with him?
I recall reading years ago that Hester had a camera and questions about whether or not he used it… It looks like he might be holding it in one hand in Zapruder… hanging down toward the ground. That these two (one walking away from bench) are the Hester’s is also from recall…
Nonetheless, Hester’s testimony from the bench or grass, regarding the location of the limo when shots were fired, is very suspect..
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(1) WHO has Ever ID'd the man sitting on the bench in Wills 5 as being Mr Hester?
(2) WHY do you think that Mr Hester might have had a camera with him?
This image of Hester might suggest a camera...
(https://i.ibb.co/pj4WHzCv/Screenshot-2025-05-17-at-8-29-53-PM.png)
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I have never heard anything about Mr Hester having a camera with him. To my knowledge, NOBODY that was inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 has ID'd that man and woman as being Mr & Mrs Hester. This includes Zapruder and Sitzman. And Mrs Hester worked with Sitzman and they both worked for Zapruder.
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I have never heard anything about Mr Hester having a camera with him. To my knowledge, NOBODY that was inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 has ID'd that man and woman as being Mr & Mrs Hester. This includes Zapruder and Sitzman. And Mrs Hester worked with Sitzman and they both worked for Zapruder.
Nothing clear about much of it at all… including Hester’s testimony…
Some have raised serious questions about Zapruder even knowing the motorcade route would even pass through Dealey Plaza, since it was changed and was not widely reported…
Another puzzle… WHO moved the park bench Beatrice Hester was sitting on… and then moved it back to the Pergola opening?
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I have never heard anything about Mr Hester having a camera with him. To my knowledge, NOBODY that was inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 has ID'd that man and woman as being Mr & Mrs Hester. This includes Zapruder and Sitzman. And Mrs Hester worked with Sitzman and they both worked for Zapruder.
Royell, I have revised my earlier comments to adopt a more tentative tone and to acknowledge the uncertainty surrounding Hester's whereabouts in the Plaza until confirmation is available. Thanks!
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Sitzman and Zapruder were not alarmed to see the Hesters on the ground, perhaps, because they all knew the “script” and how it was to end. They were all just “playing” their part.
I’ve wondered if Sitzman, in her interview, expressed surprise about her and Z hearing shots and yet continuing to film (instead of taking cover) was purposely stated to shield from questions about her and Z not acting alarmed when they heard them… to divert from the very possible thought that they knew the “script” and the outcome of it all… so no need to be alarmed…
🤷♂️
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This image of Hester might suggest a camera...
(https://i.ibb.co/pj4WHzCv/Screenshot-2025-05-17-at-8-29-53-PM.png)
This image (Zapruder film) defintely shows Mr. Hester clutching a brown paper lunch bag.
Maxwell claims the images that he posts are the "real" thing, and that the clear images that I use have been "doctored with":
(https://i.imgur.com/39vy83Z.png)
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This image (Zapruder film) defintely shows Mr. Hester clutching a brown paper lunch bag.
Maxwell claims the images that he posts are the "real" thing, and that the clear images that I use have been "doctored with":
(https://i.imgur.com/39vy83Z.png)
STEVE - Do you have this Entire Film Snippet of Sitzman + 2 Hester's? If so, can you post it? This still frame is very clear and this complete segment of the Zapruder Film is seldom if ever posted. Thanks
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(https://i.ibb.co/M5f9hBP6/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-12-12-59-PM.png)
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(https://i.ibb.co/M5f9hBP6/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-12-12-59-PM.png)
Take a look at the FBI Statements of Mr and Mrs Hester. They both claim they walked across Elm St. AFTER the Kill Shot was fired. The Hester's claim to have crossed over to the NORTH Side of Elm St. This is the side of Elm St that Zapruder stood on. AGAIN, Nobody inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 has ever ID'd the man and woman on this still shot as being Mr & Mrs Hester. And, as we see on the Bell Film, Zapruder and Sitzman after getting down from the perch, pay absolutely no mind to the man and woman on the ground near them. Yet, they were minutes beforehand being filmed ALL TOGETHER? And Mrs Hester works With Sitzman and they Both work For Zapruder? In my opinion, that couple were absolute strangers to Sitzman and Zapruder.
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STEVE - Do you have this Entire Film Snippet of Sitzman + 2 Hester's? If so, can you post it? This still frame is very clear and this complete segment of the Zapruder Film is seldom if ever posted. Thanks
Hi Royell,
The only copy I have showing the the Hester's and Sitzman is a poor copy included in Robert Groden's "The Assassination Files": (https://i.imgur.com/w5rthWg.png)
As you can see, It's nowhere near as clear as the frame I posted this morning, which came from the National Archives copy Max Holland used during a lecture, which is available online. Sadly, there are only about 3 or 4 frames showing the Hester's and Sitzman, before it fades into the motorcade footage. Sorry.
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Frames 1 to 14
https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets/z001-z052 (https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets/z001-z052)
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This image (Zapruder film) defintely shows Mr. Hester clutching a brown paper lunch bag.
Maxwell claims the images that he posts are the "real" thing, and that the clear images that I use have been "doctored with":
(https://i.imgur.com/39vy83Z.png)
STEVE - Thanks for letting me know about your having just the 1 still frame. You mention, "Mr Hester CLUTCHING a brown paper lunch bag". Is the image(s) of Mr Hester Clutching a lunch bag on a different still frame(s)? I do Not see a lunch bag on the above still frame that you posted.
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Take a look at the FBI Statements of Mr and Mrs Hester. They both claim they walked across Elm St. AFTER the Kill Shot was fired. The Hester's claim to have crossed over to the NORTH Side of Elm St. This is the side of Elm St that Zapruder stood on. AGAIN, Nobody inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63 has ever ID'd the man and woman on this still shot as being Mr & Mrs Hester. And, as we see on the Bell Film, Zapruder and Sitzman after getting down from the perch, pay absolutely no mind to the man and woman on the ground near them. Yet, they were minutes beforehand being filmed ALL TOGETHER? And Mrs Hester works With Sitzman and they Both work For Zapruder? In my opinion, that couple were absolute strangers to Sitzman and Zapruder.
BUT doesn't Charles say they were sitting ON the grass WHEN the kill shot(s) were fired... or no?
It would seem there is enough view of that area in all the film and photos available to show them sitting on the grass - but where?
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There are No Images showing Anyone sitting on the Knoll/(N) Grass Section. None. Louie Witt/Umbrella Man also claimed he was sitting on that same grass section and then walking/moving down the Knoll toward Elm St when the JFK Limo came down Elm St. There are also NO Images of Witt/Umbrella Man doing any of this. None! After the Kill Shot, DPD Motorcycle Officer Hargis riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo testified that he ran across Elm St and then ran up the Knoll to that, "....little wall, brick wall....". (This would be the very same, "little wall, brick wall", that displayed the Black Dog Man behind it on Willis 5). There are NO IMAGES that show Officer Hargis physically on the Knoll or positioned near the, "little wall, brick wall". That section of the N-S Picket Fence (E) across the Knoll is a JFK Black Hole.
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STEVE - Thanks for letting me know about your having just the 1 still frame. You mention, "Mr Hester CLUTCHING a brown paper lunch bag". Is the image(s) of Mr Hester Clutching a lunch bag on a different still frame(s)? I do Not see a lunch bag on the above still frame that you posted.
Royell,
You're welcome. I circled the paper brown lunch bag in red. (https://i.imgur.com/dYukXDR.png)
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STEVE - Thanks for letting me know about your having just the 1 still frame. You mention, "Mr Hester CLUTCHING a brown paper lunch bag". Is the image(s) of Mr Hester Clutching a lunch bag on a different still frame(s)? I do Not see a lunch bag on the above still frame that you posted.
Royell, Here's a capture from Groden's DVD of the Hester's and Sitzman that has a tad more definition to it. (https://i.imgur.com/oYYIh2g.png)
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Frames 1 to 14
https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets/z001-z052 (https://sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/lightbox-frame-sets/z001-z052)
Thanks so much for this, Duncan!!!!
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(https://i.ibb.co/Y76KNYwF/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-5-43-24-PM.png)
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(https://i.ibb.co/Y76KNYwF/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-5-43-24-PM.png)
Dude, you need help. Seriously.
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Dude, you need help. Seriously.
I'm not sure you can convince too many people that what you've circled here is a brown paper lunch bag…
Most likely Hester’s hand…maybe holding a camera…
Seriously...
(https://i.ibb.co/VcsRHV8Q/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-8-16-07-PM.png)
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I'm not sure you can convince too many people that what you've circled here is a brown paper lunch bag…
Most likely Hester’s hand…maybe holding a camera…
Seriously...
(https://i.ibb.co/VcsRHV8Q/Screenshot-2025-05-19-at-8-16-07-PM.png)
Seriously, Jake? That long, brown/tan object is Hester's hand? Have you ever seen anyone with a hand of that length?!!!
No, because it isn't possible. It doesn't even resemble a "hand" in the least because of its length. There is also nothing within that portion of the film frame that resembles a camera!
As I said. You seriously need help. You see things that aren't possible.
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Royell, Here's a capture from Groden's DVD of the Hester's and Sitzman that has a tad more definition to it. (https://i.imgur.com/oYYIh2g.png)
STEVE - Thanks for pointing out the bag. On lesser definition images, I have always taken that to be some kind of photo glitch with his hand. That White Thing does resemble a cigarette between his fingers.
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STEVE - Thanks for pointing out the bag. On lesser definition images, I have always taken that to be some kind of photo glitch with his hand. That White Thing does resemble a cigarette between his fingers.
Yes, indeed… That is most likely a hand hanging down with the other on top of his wrist… cigarette between fingers… Not likely a camera… or paper bag…
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STEVE - Thanks for pointing out the bag. On lesser definition images, I have always taken that to be some kind of photo glitch with his hand. That White Thing does resemble a cigarette between his fingers.
Here we go... Something like this...
(https://i.ibb.co/wFTMyK8v/Screenshot-2025-05-20-at-11-03-29-AM.png)