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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion & Debate => JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate => Topic started by: Ross Lidell on April 23, 2020, 03:08:01 AM
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On 27 September 1964, CBS Television broadcast a News special: "November 22nd - The Warren Report". Witnesses of events related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and murder of Officer J.D. Tippit were interviewed by Eddie Barker of KRLD TV Dallas. Johnny Calvin Brewer and Officer M.N. McDonald gave testimonies that are now part of the historical record of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
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http://22november1963.org.uk/liebeler-memorandum-warren-report
Wesley Liebeler’s Criticism of the Warren Report
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Oswald’s Arrest
1. "At first I was surprised to learn that Johnny Calvin Brewer knew that a patrolman had been shot when Oswald walked by his place of business, less than eight blocks from the point of the Tippit killing which Oswald apparently left as fast as he could."
2. "Then I was surprised to learn that the police radio did not send out information about the suspect being in the Texas Theater until 1:45, about 30 minutes after the police first heard of the Tippit killing from Benavides over Tippit’s radio. What were Oswald and Brewer doing during this 30 minutes? Oswald was strangely inactive during this period, considering all that he had done in the 45 minutes following the assassination."
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So what is the Julia Postal affidavit supposed to prove? Does it eliminate the truthful testimonies of Johnny Brewer and Officer Nick McDonald to Eddie Barker of KRLD TV Dallas TX?
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So what is the Julia Postal affidavit supposed to prove? Does it eliminate the truthful testimonies of Johnny Brewer and Officer Nick McDonald to Eddie Barker of KRLD TV Dallas TX?
What are you claiming is proven by the Brewer and McDonald interviews with Eddie Barker?
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What are you claiming is proven by the Brewer and McDonald interviews with Eddie Barker?
It's self evident.
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So what is the Julia Postal affidavit supposed to prove? Does it eliminate the truthful testimonies of Johnny Brewer and Officer Nick McDonald to Eddie Barker of KRLD TV Dallas TX?
Answering questions from a news reporter isn't testimony, sorry.
The video says Brewer subsequently pointed Ozzie out. in the theater, to police.
Postal's contemporaneous affidavit says Brewer couldn't find LHO in the theater, despite looking twice..
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http://22november1963.org.uk/liebeler-memorandum-warren-report
Wesley Liebeler’s Criticism of the Warren Report
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Oswald’s Arrest
1. "At first I was surprised to learn that Johnny Calvin Brewer knew that a patrolman had been shot when Oswald walked by his place of business, less than eight blocks from the point of the Tippit killing which Oswald apparently left as fast as he could."
2. "Then I was surprised to learn that the police radio did not send out information about the suspect being in the Texas Theater until 1:45, about 30 minutes after the police first heard of the Tippit killing from Benavides over Tippit’s radio. What were Oswald and Brewer doing during this 30 minutes? Oswald was strangely inactive during this period, considering all that he had done in the 45 minutes following the assassination."
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It's self evident.
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Answering questions from a news reporter isn't testimony, sorry.
The video says Brewer subsequently pointed Ozzie out. in the theater, to police.
Postal's contemporaneous affidavit says Brewer couldn't find LHO in the theater, despite looking twice..
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http://22november1963.org.uk/liebeler-memorandum-warren-report
Wesley Liebeler’s Criticism of the Warren Report
~snip~
Oswald’s Arrest
1. "At first I was surprised to learn that Johnny Calvin Brewer knew that a patrolman had been shot when Oswald walked by his place of business, less than eight blocks from the point of the Tippit killing which Oswald apparently left as fast as he could."
2. "Then I was surprised to learn that the police radio did not send out information about the suspect being in the Texas Theater until 1:45, about 30 minutes after the police first heard of the Tippit killing from Benavides over Tippit’s radio. What were Oswald and Brewer doing during this 30 minutes? Oswald was strangely inactive during this period, considering all that he had done in the 45 minutes following the assassination."
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Don't be sorry. It is... "testimony".
Cambridge Dictionary
testimony: proof that something exists or is true
Mirriam-Webster Dictionary:
testimony: firsthand authentication of a fact : evidence
Wesley Liebeler had a reputation (in life after the WC) of being argumentative.
Oswald’s Arrest
1. "At first I was surprised to learn that Johnny Calvin Brewer knew that a patrolman had been shot when Oswald walked by his place of business, less than eight blocks from the point of the Tippit killing which Oswald apparently left as fast as he could."
At first? What did he say later to clarify this speculation? All this statement reveals is that Liebeler did not consider the obvious possibility that Lee Oswald had hidden somewhere for 20 minutes confused about what to do next... after killing Tippit. Liebeler seemed to be unaware that people can move fast and then slow down!
2. "Then I was surprised to learn that the police radio did not send out information about the suspect being in the Texas Theater until 1:45, about 30 minutes after the police first heard of the Tippit killing from Benavides over Tippit’s radio. What were Oswald and Brewer doing during this 30 minutes? Oswald was strangely inactive during this period, considering all that he had done in the 45 minutes following the assassination."
Even very intelligent people like Wesley Liebeler (later was a Professor at UCLA) can become muddle-headed at times.
So Liebeler is surprised: so what? He's also confused. There was no way that Dallas Police could report the suspect being in the Texas Theater immediately after the Tippit shooting: they had no specific information as to his location. The DPD only became aware of a suspect in the Texas Theater when Julia Postal phoned at the request of Johnny Brewer. This was minutes before Lee Oswald was arrested... having attempted to shoot Officer McDonald.
There's nothing strange about Oswald being "inactive" after the Tippit shooting. Liebeler's 45minutes/30 minutes comparison as to Oswald's "doings" is a non sequitur. Different circumstances dictated different actions.
What was Brewer doing? Selling shoes or listening to the radio.
Why did you post this immaterial extract from the Warren Report? In no way does it eliminate or even diminish the witnesses (Brewer's and McDonald's) testimonies.
You're reaching "desperately" for some way to suggest that Oswald was innocent. FAIL
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Your stupid carton is a limp reply. There's nothing funny about the "apt" expression: "self evident".
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Here's yet another video clip I made from the CBS special.
So what's your point?
It's self-evident.
Ok, then.
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This was minutes before Lee Oswald was arrested... having attempted to shoot Officer McDonald.
No matter how many times you repeat this charming piece of horse manure, there is ZERO evidence to support that Oswald attempted to shoot Officer McDonald. ZERO.
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Your stupid carton is a limp reply. There's nothing funny about the "apt" expression: "self evident".
True.. it's not funny... it's hilarious!
If you can't explain what you are trying to say with those two video clips you are just making a fool of yourself.
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No matter how many times you repeat this charming piece of horse manure, there is ZERO evidence to support that Oswald attempted to shoot Officer McDonald. ZERO.
Explain your theory that there is ZERO evidence that Lee Oswald did not attempt to shoot Officer M.N. McDonald... with EVIDENCE?
So you're saying that Officer M.N. McDonald was a liar. You have ZERO evidence for that assertion.
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Explain your theory that there is ZERO evidence that Lee Oswald did not attempt to shoot Officer M.N. McDonald... with EVIDENCE?
So you're saying that Officer M.N. McDonald was a liar. You have ZERO evidence for that assertion.
McDonald didn't testify that Oswald attempted to shoot him. Who did?
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McDonald didn't testify that Oswald attempted to shoot him. Who did?
And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
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Here's yet another video clip I made from the CBS special.
So what's your point?
It's self-evident.
Ok, then.
You denigrate the videos because statements "direct to camera" by Warren Commission witnesses are more difficult to dismiss than text.
Why don't you claim that Brewer and McDonald are liars. You have no evidence to prove that.
Oh I forgot: you consider "LOL" is evidence.
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True.. it's not funny... it's hilarious!
If you can't explain what you are trying to say with those two video clips you are just making a fool of yourself.
Silly "smarty-Marty" statement that is devoid of any substance.
I don't need to explain anything. The testimonies of Brewer and McDonald support other evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer J.D. Tippit. Your "one-liner" replies reveal that you cannot prove Oswald is innocent of the murder of J.D. Tippit in Oak Cliff on 22 November 1963.
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McDonald didn't testify that Oswald attempted to shoot him. Who did?
McDonald.
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You denigrate the videos because statements "direct to camera" by Warren Commission witnesses are more difficult to dismiss than text.
I'm not denigrating the videos. I'm just dismissing the guy who posted them and thought that they prove something that is "self-evident".
Why don't you claim that Brewer and McDonald are liars. You have no evidence to prove that.
I still have no idea what your point is.
Oh I forgot: you consider "LOL" is evidence.
LOL.
I never said "LOL" was evidence. LOL is reserved for when people make ridiculous claims like "Oswald attempted to shoot McDonald".
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McDonald.
Cite.
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Silly "smarty-Marty" statement that is devoid of any substance.
I don't need to explain anything. The testimonies of Brewer and McDonald support other evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer J.D. Tippit.
Speaking of silly...
How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
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And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
There is evidence. When a contrarian concludes there is ZERO evidence it is an assertion. Concluding there is ZERO evidence "implies" a theory that is intentionally unstated. For a contrarian to put forward a theory would risk silly, unsubstantiated guesswork to be attacked as nonsense. You of all people should know that.
Perhaps there is not even a theory.
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There is evidence. When a contrarian concludes there is ZERO evidence it is an assertion.
Until somebody comes up with some, there is ZERO evidence. You certainly have not.
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Cite.
The CBS interview by Eddie Barker. Officer McDonald demonstrates how Lee Oswald punched him in the face and simultaneously pulled a revolver from his waistband and attempted to fire it.
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The CBS interview by Eddie Barker. Officer McDonald demonstrates how Lee Oswald punched him in the face and simultaneously pulled a revolver from his waistband and attempted to fire it.
Did you actually watch the video you posted? Where does he say that Oswald attempted to shoot him?
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Silly "smarty-Marty" statement that is devoid of any substance.
I don't need to explain anything. The testimonies of Brewer and McDonald support other evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer J.D. Tippit. Your "one-liner" replies reveal that you cannot prove Oswald is innocent of the murder of J.D. Tippit in Oak Cliff on 22 November 1963.
I don't need to explain anything.
You only want others to explain, right?
The testimonies of Brewer and McDonald support other evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer J.D. Tippit.
No they don't.
Your "one-liner" replies reveal that you cannot prove Oswald is innocent of the murder of J.D. Tippit in Oak Cliff on 22 November 1963
Hilarious... There is the "I am right unless you can prove me wrong" crap again. Does the name Salem mean anything to you?
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You denigrate the videos because statements "direct to camera" by Warren Commission witnesses are more difficult to dismiss than text.
Why don't you claim that Brewer and McDonald are liars. You have no evidence to prove that.
Oh I forgot: you consider "LOL" is evidence.
Sam Holland said on camera that at least one shot came from the picket fence on the grassy knoll where he also saw a puff of smoke.
Holland also said that the WC was wrong and that they manipulated his testimony.
Since you consider a witness saying something on video to be truthfull... What Holland says must also be true, right?
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Speaking of silly...
How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
Another silly question to which you know the answer.
Listen to what Brewer said to Barker in the video.
The DPD officers including McDonald regarded the man in the Texas Theater as a "suspect" in the killing of Officer Tippit.
Why don't you assert that Brewer and MacDonald are liars?
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And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
There is evidence. When a contrarian concludes there is ZERO evidence it is an assertion. Concluding there is ZERO evidence "implies" a theory that is intentionally unstated. For a contrarian to put forward a theory would risk silly, unsubstantiated guesswork to be attacked as nonsense. You of all people should know that.
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How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
Another silly question to which you know the answer.
Listen to what Brewer said to Barker in the video.
I did. How does that tell you who shot Tippit?
The DPD officers including McDonald regarded the man in the Texas Theater as a "suspect" in the killing of Officer Tippit.
Regarding somebody as a suspect is proof of . . . what, exactly?
Why don't you assert that Brewer and MacDonald are liars?
Why would I need to?
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And since when is concluding that there is zero evidence for something the same as a theory?
There is evidence.
That Oswald attempted to shoot McDonald? You haven't come up with anything yet!
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Sam Holland said on camera that at least one shot came from the picket fence on the grassy knoll where he also saw a puff of smoke.
He also said that the WC was wrong;
Holland also said that the WC was wrong and that they manipulated his testimony.
Since you consider a witness saying something on video is true... What Holland says must also be true, right?
Since you consider a witness saying something on video is true... What Holland says must also be true, right?
Idiotic comparison.
Holland could not identify a shooter. He had no interaction with a second assassin.
Brewer identified Oswald as the man who acted suspiciously in the foyer of his shoe-store... when police cars drove by with sirens wailing.
McDonald interacted physically with Oswald.
There's an enormous difference between Sam Holland's video testimony and that of Brewer's and McDonald's.
Why don't you discern that. You don't want to.
And what's Holland (in Dealey Plaza) got to do with Brewer and McDonald in Oak Cliff?
Is that a non sequitur?
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How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
Another silly question to which you know the answer.
Listen to what Brewer said to Barker in the video.
The DPD officers including McDonald regarded the man in the Texas Theater as a "suspect" in the killing of Officer Tippit.
Why don't you assert that Brewer and MacDonald are liars?
Another silly question to which you know the answer.
Well you clearly don't know the answer....
Listen to what Brewer said to Barker in the video.
He said he heard news on the radio that Kennedy been shot and a description of the suspect, which btw didn't match Oswald at all.
And he said he heard on the radio that a police officer had been shot in Oak Cliff.... The only problem is that in 56 years nobody has been able to provide evidence that such a broadcast ever took place. Radio stations tape all their output just in case advertisers complain about a commercial not being aired. The broadcast that Brewer talked about would also be taped, yet no such tape has ever been found.
The DPD officers including McDonald regarded the man in the Texas Theater as a "suspect" in the killing of Officer Tippit.
Police chase suspects all the time. You claimed that Brewer and McDonald knew that Oswald killed Tippit. John's question was spot on and your reply was pathetic.
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Holland could not identify a shooter. He had no interaction with a second assassin.
This is comical. What "assassin" did Brewer and McDonald identify?
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Since you consider a witness saying something on video is true... What Holland says must also be true, right?
Idiotic comparison.
No it isn't. It's a comparison of witnesses who made statements on video.
Holland could not identify a shooter. He had no interaction with a second assassin.
Brewer and McDonald also could not identify a shooter. Neither man saw Tippit being killed.
Brewer identified Oswald as the man who acted suspiciously in the foyer of his shoe-store... when police cars drove by with sirens wailing.
McDonald interacted physically with Oswald.
So what? They still had no way of knowing that Oswald killed Tippit, because they never saw the shooting
There's an enormous difference between Sam Holland's video testimony and that of Brewer's and McDonald's.
No there isn't... It's witnesses making statements on video. Same rules for everybody... But what difference would that be? Pray tell....
Why don't you discern that. You don't want to.
You just want there to be a difference, so you can dismiss what Holland said
And what's Holland (in Dealey Plaza) got to do with Brewer and McDonald in Oak Cliff?
What have Brewer and McDonald, on Jefferson, to do with a shooting at 10th/Patton?
Is that a non sequitur?
You really love using that term... Is it something you learned the meaning of recently and now you want to use it as often as you can?
It's all very simple; if you take the position that Brewer and McDonald were truthfull because they said something on video than the same must apply to Holland.
Idiotic comparison.
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I did. How does that tell you who shot Tippit?
Regarding somebody as a suspect is proof of . . . what, exactly?
Why would I need to?
Regarding somebody as a suspect is proof of . . . what, exactly?
Initially a suspect is the potential perpetrator. Later: Other information (and evidence) suggests the suspect is likely to be the actual perpetrator.
Ever heard of the word "probative".
Why would I need to?
To establish credibility and prove that you are not just a "contrarian".
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Speaking of silly...
How would Brewer and McDonald know who shot Tippit?
Tell us why they would have to know that.
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Another silly question to which you know the answer.
Well you clearly don't know the answer....
Listen to what Brewer said to Barker in the video.
He said he heard news on the radio that Kennedy been shot and a description of the suspect, which btw didn't match Oswald at all.
And he said he heard on the radio that a police officer had been shot in Oak Cliff.... The only problem is that in 56 years nobody has been able to provide evidence that such a broadcast ever took place. Radio stations tape all their output just in case advertisers complain about a commercial not being aired. The broadcast that Brewer talked about would also be taped, yet no such tape has ever been found.
The DPD officers including McDonald regarded the man in the Texas Theater as a "suspect" in the killing of Officer Tippit.
Police chase suspects all the time. You claimed that Brewer and McDonald knew that Oswald killed Tippit. John's question was spot on and your reply was pathetic.
Police chase suspects all the time. You claimed that Brewer and McDonald knew that Oswald killed Tippit. John's question was spot on and your reply was pathetic.
Brewer and McDonald "suspected" the man (Lee Oswald) was the killer of Officer Tippit.
Oswald's "punching McDonald and pulling a revolver from his (Oswald's) waistband and attempting to fire it" was (in their minds) "confirmation".
McDonald experienced Oswald's violent, illegal actions and Brewer witnessed them.
Incidentally: Oswald carrying that revolver was a felony, was it not?
Regarding Johnny "I". Spot-on to what? Those cliche replies are meaningless.
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Tell us why they would have to know that.
Because Ross claimed they did... dumbass...
Read the thread before you jump into the conversation with another stupid question.
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Tell us why they would have to know that.
Because Ross made the silly claim that the testimonies of Brewer and McDonald were evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Officer J.D. Tippit.
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Regarding somebody as a suspect is proof of . . . what, exactly?
Initially a suspect is the potential perpetrator. Later: Other information (and evidence) suggests the suspect is likely to be the actual perpetrator.
We're not talking about "later". We're talking about what Brewer and McDonald were witnesses to.
Ever heard of the word "probative".
Yes I have. Explain how that applies.
Why would I need to?
To establish credibility and prove that you are not just a "contrarian".
You're wanting me to claim that McDonald and Brewer are liars even though their interviews aren't evidence of who shot Tippit, even if they are completely truthful?
Why, just for fun?
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No it isn't. It's a comparison of witnesses who made statements on video.
Holland could not identify a shooter. He had no interaction with a second assassin.
Brewer and McDonald also could not identify a shooter. Neither man saw Tippit being killed.
Brewer identified Oswald as the man who acted suspiciously in the foyer of his shoe-store... when police cars drove by with sirens wailing.
McDonald interacted physically with Oswald.
So what? They still had no way of knowing that Oswald killed Tippit, because they never saw the shooting
There's an enormous difference between Sam Holland's video testimony and that of Brewer's and McDonald's.
No there isn't... It's witnesses making statements on video. Same rules for everybody... But what difference would that be? Pray tell....
Why don't you discern that. You don't want to.
You just want there to be a difference, so you can dismiss what Holland said
And what's Holland (in Dealey Plaza) got to do with Brewer and McDonald in Oak Cliff?
What have Brewer and McDonald, on Jefferson, to do with a shooting at 10th/Patton?
Is that a non sequitur?
You really love using that term... Is it something you learned the meaning of recently and now you want to use it as often as you can?
It's all very simple; if you take the position that Brewer and McDonald were truthfull because they said something on video than the same must apply to Holland.
Idiotic comparison.
As always you demonstrate an inability to stick to the point. Nothing more than contrarian "opposing" and "dodging".
I use "non sequitur" when it's appropriate: Lately more often due to your (and John's) persistent unjustified assertions.
So what? They still had no way of knowing that Oswald killed Tippit, because they never saw the shooting.
Your most idiotic comment yet. So (in your opinion) police must witness every crime that is committed or no prosecution can ever proceed to court.
Empty the jails: Everybody is innocent!!!
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Police chase suspects all the time. You claimed that Brewer and McDonald knew that Oswald killed Tippit. John's question was spot on and your reply was pathetic.
Brewer and McDonald "suspected" the man (Lee Oswald) was the killer of Officer Tippit.
Oswald's "punching McDonald and pulling a revolver from his (Oswald's) waistband and attempting to fire it" was (in their minds) "confirmation".
McDonald experienced Oswald's violent, illegal actions and Brewer witnessed them.
Incidentally: Oswald carrying that revolver was a felony, was it not?
Regarding Johnny "I". Spot-on to what? Those cliche replies are meaningless.
Brewer and McDonald "suspected" the man (Lee Oswald) was the killer of Officer Tippit.
Earlier you said they knew he was the killer of Tippit.... Moving the goalposts?
Secondly, Brewer could not have suspected that because there was no way he could have known that Tippit had been shot when he saw Oswald at his store. The whole radio story is BS... There never was a broadcast so early on about a police officer being killed. If there was, the tape would have surfaced long ago.
Oswald's "punching McDonald and pulling a revolver from his (Oswald's) waistband and attempting to fire it" was (in their minds) "confirmation".
McDonald experienced Oswald's violent, illegal actions and Brewer witnessed them.
So, even if it did happen that Oswald punched McDonald, if a suspect that punches a police man is confirmation that the person is a killer, there would a lot more people in jail than there are right now.
McDonald experienced Oswald's violent, illegal actions and Brewer witnessed them.
Are you sure about that?
Incidentally: Oswald carrying that revolver was a felony, was it not?
Was it? Back then, and even now, a lot of people in Texas carry firearms... But what does it matter? Oswald was not booked for carrying a revolver. Your question is pointless.
Regarding Johnny "I". Spot-on to what? Those cliche replies are meaningless.
But a reply like "It's selfevident" isn't, right?... Stop making a fool of yourself. I mean, you are really good at it, but it's getting a bit boring.
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Brewer and McDonald "suspected" the man (Lee Oswald) was the killer of Officer Tippit.
Based on what evidence? He looked funny?
Oswald's "punching McDonald and pulling a revolver from his (Oswald's) waistband and attempting to fire it" was (in their minds) "confirmation".
"Confirmation" that he shot a cop 30 minutes earlier, 7 blocks away?
P.S. McDonald didn't say in his WC testimony, in his report to Curry, or in his WFAA interview the next day that Oswald pulled a revolver from his waistband.
Incidentally: Oswald carrying that revolver was a felony, was it not?
Not sure what the Texas laws were at the time, but it doesn't matter because he wasn't arrested or charged with that. And that wouldn't be evidence that he shot a cop anyway.
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Your most idiotic comment yet. So (in your opinion) police must witness every crime that is committed or no prosecution can ever proceed to court.
No, the idiotic comment was that the McDonald and Brewer interviews you posted somehow constitute evidence that Oswald shot Tippit.
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As always you demonstrate an inability to stick to the point. Nothing more than contrarian "opposing" and "dodging".
I have been sticking to the point. You just don't like it....
I use "non sequitur" when it's appropriate: Lately more often due to your (and John's) persistent unjustified assertions.
First of all, you frequently use it incorrectly and secondly you never get beyond claiming that John and I make "unjustified assertions". You just can't explain what is unjustified about them other than that you don't like them.
So what? They still had no way of knowing that Oswald killed Tippit, because they never saw the shooting.
Your most idiotic comment yet. So (in your opinion) police must witness every crime that is committed or no prosecution can ever proceed to court.
Empty the jails: Everybody is innocent!!!
Brewer isn't and never was police. And as far as McDonald is concerned he was one of many officers directed to the Texas Theater to arrest a suspect.
Neither Brewer or McDonald knew at that time that Oswald had killed Tippit.
police must witness every crime that is committed or no prosecution can ever proceed to court.
Another pathetic strawman. I never said anything of the kind. Stop making stuff up.
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We're not talking about "later". We're talking about what Brewer and McDonald were witnesses to.
Yes I have. Explain how that applies.
You're wanting me to claim that McDonald and Brewer are liars even though their interviews aren't evidence of who shot Tippit, even if they are completely truthful?
Why, just for fun?
You're wanting me to claim that McDonald and Brewer are liars even though their interviews aren't evidence of who shot Tippit, even if they are completely truthful?
Why, just for fun?
You imply that Oswald is innocent and that nothing he did in the Texas Theater was illegal.
Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
Officer McDonald said that the suspect (Oswald) assaulted him and attempted to fire a revolver (which he was carrying illegally) when he (McDonald) was in the process of taking the pistol from the suspect (Oswald).
Did you hear the last words of McDonald in the video?
McDonald: "...Yes and it didn't get the full force of the firing pin and consequently the shell didn't go off. I believe that's what saved my life".
Saved my life!!! Who tried to "take" McDonald's life John?
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You're wanting me to claim that McDonald and Brewer are liars even though their interviews aren't evidence of who shot Tippit, even if they are completely truthful?
Why, just for fun?
You imply that Oswald is innocent and that nothing he did in the Texas Theater was illegal.
Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
Officer McDonald said that the suspect (Oswald) assaulted him and attempted to fire a revolver (which he was carrying illegally) when he (McDonald) was in the process of taking the pistol from the suspect (Oswald).
Did you hear the last words of McDonald in the video?
McDonald: "...Yes and it didn't get the full force of the firing pin and consequently the shell didn't go off. I believe that's what saved my life".
Saved my life!!! Who tried to "take" McDonald's life John?
"attempted to fire a revolver (which he was carrying illegally) when he (McDonald) was in the process of taking the pistol from the suspect (Oswald)."
His contemporaneous report says he heard the snap of the hammer as he was jerking the gun from the suspect's hand.
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You're wanting me to claim that McDonald and Brewer are liars even though their interviews aren't evidence of who shot Tippit, even if they are completely truthful?
Why, just for fun?
You imply that Oswald is innocent and that nothing he did in the Texas Theater was illegal.
Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
Officer McDonald said that the suspect (Oswald) assaulted him and attempted to fire a revolver (which he was carrying illegally) when he (McDonald) was in the process of taking the pistol from the suspect (Oswald).
Did you hear the last words of McDonald in the video?
McDonald: "...Yes and it didn't get the full force of the firing pin and consequently the shell didn't go off. I believe that's what saved my life".
Saved my life!!! Who tried to "take" McDonald's life John?
You imply that Oswald is innocent and that nothing he did in the Texas Theater was illegal.
Cut it out with this strawman crap. John never implied anything of the kind. If you try to win an argument by making stuff up, you've already lost the argument.
Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
Already addressed and no it is not 'very good circumstantial evidence". You can't even prove that the revolver Hill pulled out of his pocket some 2 hours after bringing Oswald into the police station, and had marked by officers who were not present at the arrest, was the same revolver that was taken from Oswald.
Btw, the officer who placed the revolver in the evidence room was Davenport and he wasn't even at the Texas Theater when Oswald was arrested. He was at the hospital with Tippit's body. How did he get the revolver and why is he placing it in the evidence room, when he is not even in the chain of custody?
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What 10 rifle casings were they referring to on page 2 above?
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Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
What was illegal about carrying a gun?
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What 10 rifle casings were they referring to on page 2 above?
I think the FBI went to the local shooting ranges looking for spent 6.5 casings in an attempt find out where LHO had practiced.
They never found any that had been fired through the TSBD Carcano or evidence that he had ever fired that rifle.
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What was illegal about carrying a gun?
It's illegal in Texas to carry a handgun without a license (either intentionally or recklessly), unless you are: on property that you own or control, or. in or directly on the way to a motor vehicle or boat that you own or control.
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/open-and-concealed-gun-carry-laws-texas.htm
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https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/open-and-concealed-gun-carry-laws-texas.htm
Those are modern laws. You also cant order guns through the mail anymore. I don't think there was anything unusual about Oswald carrying a pistol.
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I was crouching low and holding my gun in case any trouble came I wanted to be ready for it.
M.N. McDonald
For a cop ready for trouble..why didn't McDonald just go ahead and shoot Oswald if Oswald indeed pulled a gun? Supposedly..Oswald was a cop killer--ready to kill another one.
McDonald wasn't the first cop there. Why did the other cops wait for him to show up before the big move was made? Who was the mysterious tipster?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2264.msg66925.html#msg66925
Johnny Brewer lied. There was no announcement of a cop being killed or even shot until after Oswald had been arrested.
Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on November 07, 2019, 10:07:06 AM-------------
Again, you wrote that he stated in his affidavit/testimony about listening to KLIF. Where did he say this? I can't find it.
I'll offer - and try to find support for it - that a radio announcement of the shooting was broadcast well before 1:55.
Galbraith never did find this announcement on public radio because it doesn't exist.
A lie ignored is a lie accepted.
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M.N. McDonald
For a cop ready for trouble..why didn't McDonald just go ahead and shoot Oswald if Oswald indeed pulled a gun? Supposedly..Oswald was a cop killer--ready to kill another one.
McDonald wasn't the first cop there. Why did the other cops wait for him to show up before the big move was made? Who was the mysterious tipster?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2264.msg66925.html#msg66925
Johnny Brewer lied. There was no announcement of a cop being killed or even shot until after Oswald had been arrested.
Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on November 07, 2019, 10:07:06 AM-------------
Galbraith never did find this announcement on public radio because it doesn't exist.
A lie ignored is a lie accepted.
It is of course completely normal for a cop to approach a suspected cop killer by simply walking up to him and asking him to get up out of his seat, right?
I mean, what would be the point of going up to a suspect with guns drawn, right?
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Those are modern laws. You also cant order guns through the mail anymore. I don't think there was anything unusual about Oswald carrying a pistol.
Nonsense.... Texas didn't have concealed carry until 2015.
You obviously don't live in Texas.
And you can order guns through the mail if you have a FFL.
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Nonsense.... Texas didn't have concealed carry until 2015.
You obviously don't live in Texas.
And you can order guns through the mail if you have a FFL.
How did Warren Caster walk around carrying two rifles in boxes so?
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How did Warren Caster walk around carrying two rifles in boxes so?
That is a good question. You obviously cannot conceal a rifle [except for Lee Oswald who managed to make his alleged rifle disappear until he got up to the 6th floor with it..allegedly]
The carry stuff applies to pistols therefore.
One can walk down the street with a rifle here in Texas. However it will look quite suspicious and a patrolman will no doubt cautiously inquire...calling backup if someone looks like they are on drugs or something.
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That is a good question. You obviously cannot conceal a rifle [except for Lee Oswald who managed to make his alleged rifle disappear until he got up to the 6th floor with it..allegedly]
The carry stuff applies to pistols therefore.
One can walk down the street with a rifle here in Texas. However it will look quite suspicious and a patrolman will no doubt cautiously inquire...calling backup if someone looks like they are on drugs or something.
So if there was a Presidential motorcade in Dallas tomorrow, someone could just stand in the crowd with a rifle? Can it be loaded?
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So if there was a Presidential motorcade in Dallas tomorrow, someone could just stand in the crowd with a rifle? Can it be loaded?
That would be [by contrast] a very mediocre question. Wise up.
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Because Ross claimed they did... dumbass...
Read the thread before you jump into the conversation with another stupid question.
You to calm down.
No, really..
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You imply that Oswald is innocent and that nothing he did in the Texas Theater was illegal.
When did I “imply” that? At the moment you made it up?
Address the issue of Oswald carrying a hand-gun illegally. I concede that "that alone" does not prove Oswald shot Officer Tippit; but it's very good circumstantial evidence that he did.
It’s not evidence at all that he shot Tippit. You haven’t even demonstrated that was illegal.
Officer McDonald said that the suspect (Oswald) assaulted him and attempted to fire a revolver (which he was carrying illegally) when he (McDonald) was in the process of taking the pistol from the suspect (Oswald).
I notice you changed your tune from “attempted to shoot McDonald”.
Did you hear the last words of McDonald in the video?
McDonald: "...Yes and it didn't get the full force of the firing pin and consequently the shell didn't go off. I believe that's what saved my life".
Saved my life!!! Who tried to "take" McDonald's life John?
Saved the life of a theater seat, maybe.
Did you know that Paul Bentley also claimed that he stuck his hand in and prevented the gun from firing? Even bruised his hand!
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So if there was a Presidential motorcade in Dallas tomorrow, someone could just stand in the crowd with a rifle? Can it be loaded?
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I think that man was James Powell carrying probably a tripod for his camera. he was wearing a grey suit and had a crew cut blond hair i think.
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I think that man was James Powell carrying probably a tripod for his camera. he was wearing a grey suit and had a crew cut blond hair i think.
I hope that you're being flippant..... Powell was NOT 6' 4" tall....
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How tall was James Powell?