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A face in the window... The plot thickens...
There are actually several frames with this image of a face...





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  JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.
Royell, to model your theory of a space between the east gate at its fully open position I modeled the effect of the space by incrementally moving the east gate westward, thus generating a variable space between the gate and the “wall”. At each increment I animated the gates rotation until it gave a shadow pattern similar to that of Martin_Euins fillm. I did this procedure for simulated space increments up to 12”.

The data shows that the larger the space the smaller amount of gate rotation is required to compare with Martin_Euins shadow patterns. Thus, the maximum rotation falls at about 14 degrees.



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Pinko [...]

Pinko?

By spreading KGB*-approved JFKA conspiracy theories, it's you who could be called a "Pinko" here, not me.

*Today's SVR and FSB

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Earlier you posted:

I doubt it's even possible to stand by a half-closed window in that small space and hit a target on the road.

Now you're changing it to 1/4-open.

Okay. Works for me.

Scroll down to page 18 and see how steeply-downward-angled Oswald's first shot was.

https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf


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  I am saying we are Not seeing a common wall between the TSBD and the Huge Gates. We are probably looking at something that is stacked there. Maybe something staged for for loading onto a truck? The degree numbers are based on that being the common wall. It is not.
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O'meara,

Perhaps you didn't understand what I wrote.

I'll try to rephrase it for you so you can understand.

Oswald was standing and awkwardly leaning forward at the 1/3-open window for his first, sharply-downward-angled, missing-everything shot which sounded different than his other two shots because the muzzle of his Carcano was just inside the building.

Oswald ejected the spent cartridge from his Carcano while he was still standing. That ejected shell didn't bounce off the stack of boxes behind him but flew unhindered all the way down to the stack of boxes to his right.

Oswald knelt and rested his left elbow / forearm on the top box for his next two shots, during which the muzzle of his Carcano was outside the building. When he ejected those two shells from his kneeling position, they bounced off the stack of boxes behind him and ended up under the window.

The different sound of the first shot, the fact that it missed everything, and the ejection pattern of the three spent shells suggest that this is what happened.

A scientific analysis of the conscious reactions of seven witnesses (including JFK, Jackie, and Governor Connally) by Roselle and Scearce in 2020 suggests that the first shot was fired half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 (after a 17-second pause), and that Oswald, therefore, took 10.2 seconds to fire all three shots in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza.

Understand yet?

https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf

Pinko

There's no need to get so aggro just because someone disagrees with you.
You cut off any opportunity for debate or discussion.
Which is understandable as you don't have a clue what you're talking about and would only end up being made an even bigger fool of.
Have a read through "The First Shot" thread and do yourself a favour.

Oswald was standing and awkwardly leaning forward at the 1/3-open window

Hmmm...the window was 1/3 open you say.
I took a couple of close-ups of the sniper's window and put them side-by-side and drew a couple of rough lines to demonstrate how open the window actually was:



You'll obviously disagree but it looks more like 1/4 open to me.
I wonder why you tried to make the window seem more open than it actually was...?
It's also worth noting that the bottom of the open window is pretty much in line with the cross strut of the adjacent window.
It's also worth noting that this image is from the part of the Hughes film where the limo is about to pass in front of the TSBD building but the awkwardly stood Oswald is nowhere to be seen.

Keeping in mind that the bottom of the open window is pretty much in line with the cross strut of the adjacent window:



The red line represents the bottom of the open window (this set of windows is an accurate facsimile of the sniper's window and, as such, can be used to illustrate my point).
The guy on the left with his hands behind his back represents Oswald stood by the window.
Is it even possible to get the end of the rifle out of the window?
Is it possible to aim at anything, anywhere outside, let alone in the middle of the street?
It is fairly obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of common sense that no shooter would think for a second of taking a shot stood up. It simply would not happen.
The arrangement of boxes known as the Sniper's Perch make it abundantly clear that the shooter had pre-planned to take a shot from a sitting or crouching position.
The Sniper's Perch also tells us where the shooter had pre-planned to take the shot. This is the view from the Sniper's Nest looking in the direction the boxes were arranged to rest the rifle on:



In the foreground is the oak tree.
The shooter would be waiting for the limo to clear the oak tree before taking the first shot (pretty much where the white car is in the picture). The red circle represents the area where there would have been the least amount of lateral movement of the target - JFK's head.

There is confirmation that this is the general area the shooter had pre-planned as the 'kill zone' from the testimony of Ronald Fischer:

"The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn’t watching-uh-he didn’t look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Elm Street. And-uh-all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he neverhe never moved anything. Just was there transflxed.

Seconds before the motorcade entered Dealey Plaza, Fischer was looking at the man in the Sniper's Nest who was staring "transfixed" in the direction of the triple underpass while everyone else was anticipating the arrival of the motorcade. This is surely the shooter 'visualising' the kill zone.

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JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.

Storing,

What are you trying to say?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who did it?
« Last post by Tom Graves on July 02, 2025, 09:46:43 PM »
What a silly question.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who did it?
« Last post by Frank Beard on July 02, 2025, 09:00:26 PM »
None of the above...

Your wish is granted
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  JAMES - Thanks for posting that animated visual aid. Remember that the Huge Gates were attached to the side of the TSBD.  I do not believe the placard shadows are being cast onto "the wall"/"the side" of the TSBD. This is throwing off the animation measurements being posted. Those placard shadows look like they are being cast onto something stacked there. No side of the TSBD resembles what we are seeing on the Martin Film. There are dock doors on that same side of the TSBD 1st floor. Dock doors possibly being built into what we are seeing on the Martin Film? I don't think so.
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     I believe we are seeing the gate just as it was on the film footage of Euins & Brehm being loaded into Sawyers car, and "The Three Tramps" photo. The Gate is Closed/Ajar. If the gate in the background of this Martin Film still frame was "wide open", (inward), as Officer Mooney testified, there would Not be the Open Space to permit the placards to be casting the shadows Behind them.  There is obviously Open Space between the Placards and the shadows they are casting. Also, look at the Gate middle crossbar relative to the casing the Gate is attached to. There is very little angle between that crossbar and the door casing. That crossbar is running almost directly into the casing.
Royell, it appears to me from the animation that the eastern gate was rotated about 14 degrees from the wall at 12:40.
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