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If they're framing him on a visit to the Cuban consulate they would simply say he admitted to going there during his interrogation. He's dead; they can say he admitted to it. Why would they say he denied it if they are trying to frame him for it? Just say he said he did. Again, he can't deny it since, y'know, he's dead.

As to Hoover: He was, as the record shows, a ruthless and powerful man but the idea that he would/could know everything about what his people did in the investigation, could control what they found and limit it, is conspiracy silliness at its finest. Conspiracists really believe that "the CIA" and "the FBI" and these bureaucracies can be completely controlled, and were. They can't. A Hitler or a Stalin couldn't control all of their people, their bureaucracies, their factions and personality conflicts. Read any history of their rule. Do you folks read anything other than conspiracy books?

As in: the FBI agents James Hosty and his superior Gordon Shanklin destroyed a note that Oswald left complaining about the FBI's treatment of his wife. Hoover knew nothing about it. If he had such control then how could that have happened? And after the assassination Hoover punished about a dozen agents (I think it was 17) for their failures to adequately monitor Oswald. He couldn't control everything his people did or didn't do. He was one person.

For a better and greater example read about Hoover and the FBI and the Hiss/Chambers investigation. Hoover was left out of the loop from his own people. He didn't know what was happening. He couldn't control all of it; hell, he couldn't control just about any of it.

"As in: the FBI agents James Hosty and his superior Gordon Shanklin destroyed a note that Oswald left complaining about the FBI's treatment of his wife. Hoover knew nothing about it. If he had such control then how could that have happened? And after the assassination Hoover punished about a dozen agents (I think it was 17) for their failures to adequately monitor Oswald. He couldn't control everything his people did or didn't do. He was one person."

lets be clear here yes Hoover was a human and not super human , he cant know every single little thing . he certainly cant know about that which is intentionally kept from him . if he never knew about the Hosty note so far as i am aware , well at a later date yes im sure he did . Shanklyn and Hosty kept that information from him , what was so devastating to Shanklyn about a note from Oswald saying not to speak to his wife when he was not there ?. and why would Hoover who was aware of Oswald care about such a note ? . by the way certain LN but not all have tried to use that note to say Oswald  wrote a threat on it to blow up the building . leading to the question why would they not keep that note as evidence against him ? .they  base this claim on a woman (whos name eludes my memory now ) , Hosty was questioned about the note and her story . he replied and reiterated it merely was about Marina as above . he went further saying she gave 3 different stories about that note WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE ?. but FBI agents did not go along with the official line at times , they did not necessarily go out of their way to dispute it but they shall we say stuck by what they said / reported even if it disputed the official narrative .

"If they're framing him on a visit to the Cuban consulate they would simply say he admitted to going there during his interrogation. He's dead; they can say he admitted to it. Why would they say he denied it if they are trying to frame him for it? Just say he said he did. Again, he can't deny it since, y'know, he's dead. "

the DPD had the case taken from them very quickly .it would seem if we can accept the late Jim leavelles word for it that the DPD did not care a lot about jfk and viewed getting Oswald for the Tippit killing as more important . i wont quote Jim here as he used racial terms . so i dont know just how much import if any at all they would have in Oswald visiting mexico or not .or to what if any extent that they would want to frame him using mexico  . but if we look at the arrest for example of duran we see that others did have an interest in mexico .

lets face it hoover would not need to know everything about everything , even about the assassination , just certain important aspects of it . many things were never questioned really . once the people were told Oswald who had been to russia went to mexico they would have believed and not questioned it . only in light of evidence that an imposter or imposters seem to have been active , and in light of the statements of Odio would people later question such things .and most people did not have that sort of info in 63 and 64 .

in regards mexico we are being asked it seems to believe that 3 people all saw the same WRONG THINGS , all made the same mistake , or well they all decided to invent the same BS . all 3 said the man was a short man , so short that one who was 5 feet 6 had to look down on the man .atleast two of them independently said the man they saw was blonde .

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/lopezrpt_2003/html/LopezRpt_0200a.htm

it is proposed that Oswald entered both consulates in mexico some 5 times each . so that means there were atleast 10 opportunities at each location (going in and going out ) to capture him on camera . yet we dont have a single photo . that baffles belief .

Like I said earlier, you continue to show us just how clueless you are.

   Personal attack? It's All Over.

It’s simple geometry. You do some math and show us using the math when and where you think the follow-up agents were in the line of fire from the sniper’s nest.  🧐

     Nobody Knows with certainty when the Back Shot entered JFK. Yet you ask for "simple geometry"?  Knott Lab Laser SCIENCE declared the SBT "Is Impossible". It's all over whether LN's want to admit it or not. Multiple Shooters has now been proven by SCIENCE.

The queen mary was behind the JFK limo. From the angle of the photo from the sniper’s nest we can clearly see the oak tree has just been cleared from the sniper’s view. In order for your ridiculous idea to be true, the running board agents would have to be taller than the branches of the oak tree. That clearly is not the case. You have shown once again that you are clueless.

   Come on Charles. You do Not know that the Back Shot was fired at the moment we are seeing the cross hairs on that STILL FRAME. The image you posted is actually 1 Film Frame removed from a Motion Picture. And again, Elm St was on a Downgrade. That puts the SS Agents on that (R) running board at a Higher Elevation/Above the JFK Limo/JFK.

New to the forum so unsure if this has been discussed before

At the extreme left of the Altgens 6 and cropped out of most copies is the side view of a man in a grey hat who looks very similar to the photo of Ruby in the basement before shooting Oswald Both this man and the construction worker in the hard hat are not looking at the motorcade

I have some photos but cannot work out how to insert them in the post if someone can advise

there are photos of a man wearing sun glasses who bore resemblance to Ruby and who some have said was Ruby , the man (i dont know if he has been named ) was near the depository . i dont know if its the same man you refer to .but the man i speak of was not Ruby .i am in agreement with other posts here regarding his whereabouts . i will say that his whereabouts for me atleast cast doubt on his supposed devotion to his beloved president . i mean JFK his beloved president is passing by him very near to him , and yet he makes zero effort to go and see him . surely what business he had could have waited 10 or 20 minutes while he went and saw jfk ? .