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Video of Baker heading to TSBD
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on June 28, 2018, 09:45:21 AM ---obviously some time after the assassination
Really? With the Newmans and their kids still lying on the grass?
So, just how many seconds constitutes "obviously some time" in your mind?
Another typical Mytton exaggeration!
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The Newans were clearly a valuable photo op and have been on the ground long enough for a crowd of photographers to gather, the other hint is that Umbrella Man and his mate are finally sitting and just appear bored.
Here's another photo of the Newmans who now appear relaxed and long after the photographers have moved on and we can still see no one running anywhere the classic knoll fence.
Ironically the only self serving time guestimate of what you claimed as "seconds" came from you. LOL!
But it doesn't really matter anyway because the photographic evidence that you just conveniently ignored clearly shows the first people who moved anywhere, moved right past the grassy knoll fence.
The Bell film shows a whole lot of people have arrived at the crime scene and nobody is running anywhere near the grassy knoll fence.
JohnM
Joe Elliott:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on June 28, 2018, 10:25:03 AM ---
The Newans were clearly a valuable photo op and have been on the ground long enough for a crowd of photographers to gather, the other hint is that Umbrella Man and his mate are finally sitting and just appear bored.
Here's another photo of the Newmans who now appear relaxed and long after the photographers have moved on and we can still see no one running anywhere the classic knoll fence.
Ironically the only self serving time guestimate of what you claimed as "seconds" came from you. LOL!
But it doesn't really matter anyway because the photographic evidence that you just conveniently ignored clearly shows the first people who moved anywhere, moved right past the grassy knoll fence.
The Bell film shows a whole lot of people have arrived at the crime scene and nobody is running anywhere near the grassy knoll fence.
JohnM
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Agreed. Clearly, the people are trying to see the limousine. A lot of people did not clearly see what happened to the President. For most, someone?s head was in the way of their view of the limousine at z312, since most viewers were to the northeast of the President, not standing alongside. Most would have difficulty seeing the limousine at all and didn?t realize that it was leaving the plaza at high speed after z345. So, they tried to go far enough to the southwest in hopes they could see the limousine and hopefully find out that President was not wounded. When they saw the limousine was no longer in the plaza, they headed for the overpass in hopes of seeing the limousine just on the other side, not realizing that the limousine immediately headed off at high speed for the hospital.
The real ?Rush for the Knoll? did not occur until a couple of minutes later, when it occurred to the people that since shots were fired, it would be prudent to get out of open spaces. For many people, the fastest way to get away from open spaces was to cross Elm Street, go up the grassy knoll and get some protection on the other side of the fences and monument.
Richard Smith:
--- Quote from: Matt Grantham on June 27, 2018, 08:27:27 PM --- A link to a video Baker heading towards the TSBD Pretty striking how virtually everyone else heading south towards the knoll Yet we are supposed to believe the majority of witnesses thought the shoots came from the TSBD?
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It's a herding instinct. From the Elm St. perspective, the knoll area is in proximity to where JFK was shot and appears to provide seclusion for a shooter. We know that isn't the case today because the backside of that area is entirely open to half of Dallas. No assassin would choose that as the location to fire the shots. That is what those folks discovered when they got there.
There was nothing to see. But in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, that would be a reasonable place to surmise the shots might have come from. Some people start moving in that direction and others start following withing having any independent knowledge as to where the shots came from.
Colin Crow:
SENATOR COOPER - I didn't hear what he said he heard on the radio?
Mr. BAKER - I heard Chief Curry, the chief of the police over there, say, "Get some men over on the railroad track." I think everyone at that time thought these shots came from the railroad track.
Matt Grantham:
--- Quote from: Bill Chapman on June 28, 2018, 02:01:46 AM ---'They were chasing the limo?'
LOL. Tell us where JohnM said, implied or meant that.
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I like the three choice option of said, implied, or meanr
John M said Well duh, people ran to where Kennedy was shot.
That could be implied that he was shot in the Limo
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