Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald went to pick up his rifle. It's possible, as others have speculated, that he wasn't 100% committed to his plan to kill the Pres if Marina agreed to go back to him. We will never know just as we will never know if he made the bag in the garage, at his room the night before or elsewhere before bringing it to Irving.

You think he was a nice family man? I don't think so. He beat his wife, had a stash of money but offered little to Marina to support her needs (including simple health care) and those of the children. Even if Marina had agreed to go back to him and if he abandoned his plan he was still a walking time bomb and would IMO have erupted at some point but that might have simply been killing Hosty or a cop or two and we wouldn't be talking about the scumbag today.

I'd think he was rapidly losing his sanity. He was a deadbeat and a loser who felt the world owed him something just as his mother taught him. He wasn't a patsy so much as an insecure mama's boy.

Oswald slept in his mother's bed until age 11, she bathed him until he got 'too big down there', one of the guys in his marine unit said he was effeminate, and some of the boarders at his rooming house said he had this weird arse movement (I don't recall the exact term they used) when he walked.

I kind of feel sorry for him, though. He needed better guidance as a youngster.

[Howard Gee]

Oswald had a long, documented history of abandoning his family: he defected to the Soviet Union leaving them - his Mother and brothers - behind. Indeed, in letters to his brother he told him that he wasn't going to answer them anymore, that he had turned his back on the US and them, and was starting a better life in a better place.

Then he tries, as the evidence for me indicates, to shoot Walker and leaves behind a note explaining to Marina what she and Junie could do to survive. They would be on their own.

Then we have him going to Mexico City and trying to defect to Cuba. Marina said that when she and Oswald said goodbye to each other in New Orleans as she left for Texas and he for Mexico that she was certain it would be the last she ever saw of him.

This is a man with a clear history of putting his own interests and desires above everyone else. Including his children.

But it is true, as I see it, that his motive for shooting JFK is something that is difficult to explain.  There's no long term planning behind the act. He didn't stalk JFK, he didn't leave notes or messages indicating his hatred of JFK. There's little "paper trail" telling us why he did what he did. It does seem to have been a spur of the moment, impetuous act.

Good points, Steve.

Yeah, the motive thing is a bit troubling. Why take a shot at Walker ? Why shoot JFK ?

The truth is, sometimes people do things that make absolutely zero sense and their acts aren't motivated by anything comprehensible to the rest of us.

There are whackjobs out there that can go off at anytime.

That being said, while I'm certain that Saint Oz was guilty, it's always bothered me somewhat that he maintained his innocence. He had to have known all the evidence that would be presented against him in the JDT and JFK murders.

Then again, Ted Bundy and OJ also claimed they were innocent.

There's just no telling what goes on in the mind of a psychopath.

[Zeon Mason]

Oswald slept in his mother's bed until age 11, she bathed him until he got 'too big down there', one of the guys in his marine unit said he was effeminate, and some of the boarders at his rooming house said he had this weird arse movement (I don't recall the exact term they used) when he walked.

I kind of feel sorry for him, though. He needed better guidance as a youngster.

Perhaps Oswald was doublejointed as per his odd off balance position in the BYP:

[Steve Howsley]

it's always bothered me somewhat that he maintained his innocence. He had to have known all the evidence that would be presented against him in the JDT and JFK murders.

If Oswald admitted his crimes the game was over. By game I mean exactly that; his attitude was 'you find the answers 'cause I'm way smarter than you guys.' An admission would see him languishing in jail awaiting his trial with the certainty IMO of a spell on death row and a pathetic execution. So long as the game was in play he got the attention he so clearly craved. I agree that the evidence was overwhelming but that little insecure attention seeker would have lied his way to the very end so long as it meant the spotlight was on him.

 

[Steve Howsley]

If Lee constructed CE 142, it had to be in situ at the wrapping bench in the first floor. The same place where there were wrappers and the offices of Truly and Shelley. Just when do you think he did that?

Save it for The Bag thread. I lost interest in that issue weeks ago. I mean, 200+ pages is more than enough.

[Howard Gee]

If Oswald admitted his crimes the game was over. By game I mean exactly that; his attitude was 'you find the answers 'cause I'm way smarter than you guys.' An admission would see him languishing in jail awaiting his trial with the certainty IMO of a spell on death row and a pathetic execution. So long as the game was in play he got the attention he so clearly craved. I agree that the evidence was overwhelming but that little insecure attention seeker would have lied his way to the very end so long as it meant the spotlight was on him.

 

[Steve Howsley]

Trust me, if I was a LNer - that's one thread I would avoid at all costs.

Talk it up as much as you like. It's a non-event for me. 200 + pages with some photographs posted dozens (literally) of times with the same limited discussion going around and around getting nowhere. That's what it is.