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James Leon Simmons.... Overpass Witness
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on July 25, 2018, 08:51:09 AM ---You apparently have no idea what the definition of the word "doubt" is. This is pathetic.
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What's pathetic is how little it takes to convince you that a claim is true. At least when it supports what you already believe on faith.
--- Quote ---Just because the casing was turned over later that afternoon certainly is not enough to cast doubt on whether or not it came from the crime scene.
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How could Doughty be certain that this shell that was handed to him actually came from the crime scene? Or where? Not that it particularly matters since the shell itself cannot be connected in any way to any bullet that entered Tippit.
But when did Doughty ever even say directly that he initialed this shell (and where and when), or that he identified his initials? All I've seen is an unsigned FBI report that claims that Doughty said this to Bardwell Odum. So it's at least third hand information.
Allan Fritzke:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on July 20, 2018, 03:16:22 AM ---
That's interesting, at the time of the headshot the wind was blowing up Elm Street as seen by the billowing dresses of Mary and Jean.
Your witnesses minus Bowers were on the overpass.
Question: Where was your sniper?
JohnM
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Unless you fire black powder guns, you would really be pushing it to see much smoke at all, regardless of positions. Top that off with the strong wind blowing and you will be able to only smell smoke downwind. Bowers smelled smoke?
Your pictures/embedded videos again are very enlightening. In fact, I would suggest that just as the President's head approaches "Jean Hill" "lady in red" and disappears behind her head, I would say there was a very pronounced white spot just starting to appear on the President's head which coincided with the kill/skull shot at Z-329/330. If you match your first video with the Z film, you will notice that Jacqueline's hand comes around behind his head at about Z-327. If you suggest that the "spray associated" with your embedded video comes from around Z-313, your greatly mistaken.
Her hand movement behind the President's head is obviously not at Z-313. If you suggest that the "cloud" around the President's head appeared coincidentally with Z-313 - it did not. Which way do you want it? In fact, the President slumped over at about Z-331. Obviously, there was a doctored set of frames made up around Z-313 to imply that the shots came from TBSD and part of the necessary lone gunman narrative - the Z film and the one you have provided just prove that!
Coordination between that film you have just posted and the Z film clearly show the difference. People assume that the "cloud" formed on his head at about Z-327 is that of Z-313. That is ludicrous and there is no synergy between the 2 films if you assume that. You can't mistake Jacqueline's reaction and her wanting to leave the limousine thereafter. Now, you could dismiss that cloud as being nothing but a film flaw.......
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z327.jpg
Clearly, you can't miss what you see in Z330 and Z335 and Jacqueline's immediate reaction to that! It has nothing to do with a frame Z-313/14. That is a FRAME Job!
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z331.jpg
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z335.jpg
Compare that to the rather large plume at Z313 which you can't see in your embedded video!! No Jacqueline arm present behind the President!
https://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z313.jpg
You would have to be a fool not to see the obvious correlation between Z film and this film and what has been doctored and what was reality!
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on July 20, 2018, 08:57:18 PM ---You made that claim -- you didn't actually substantiate it. But that's irrelevant anyway. If something's not the same, then it's not the same. Stop pretending that "close to some arbitrary measure of closeness" equals "the same".
If you had just said 3 degrees off or whatever, then we wouldn't be having this argument.
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As the graphic you've posted shows, the difference between the line from the overpass to the TSBD and one from the overpass to the fence corner is a very small angle, just by cursory inspection. The precise measurement of the angle is kinda beside the point; it doesn't affect the argument one way or the other. It just puts a particular number and unit to a small value. I didn't do so initially because I didn't figure that anyone would require Wopner-at-4:30-grade measurements. In fact, no one else but you seems to have needed them.
The degree of precision isn't arbitrary at all. It's based on the units that people actually use every day when determining and communicating direction where more precise mechanical means aren't available. It stands to reason that these units are determined by the minimum differences in direction that humans can easily discern on their own. One divides a circle into twelve equal sections, the other divides that circle into sixteen. If you wish to differ, that's OK, but you gotta do better than what you've managed so far.
And you still haven't answered my question, since you seem not to like what I use as a benchmark for precision. I'll ask again:
Now, given the real world conditions of Dealey Plaza on Nov 11, 1963, how accurate do you think the TP witnesses audio localization capabilities were at the time?
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: John Iacoletti on July 21, 2018, 12:06:25 AM ---Says the guy who spent weeks arguing over the difference between "Brennan saw the man with a gun" and Brennan saw a man with a gun".
Same direction does not mean 11 degrees off. Especially when that figure is just pulled out of nowhere. Same direction means same direction.
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"Same direction" is hostage to the precision of the instrument measuring that direction. In this case, the instrument is a human being. Humans are not generally renowned for the accuracy of their perception. If you have a better case, then make it. If you want to keep repeating "same direction, same direction" like a broken Tickle Me Elmo, you are free to do so. We are also free to, well, I think you know.
John Iacoletti:
--- Quote from: Mitch Todd on July 26, 2018, 12:09:22 AM ---It stands to reason that these units are determined by the minimum differences in direction that humans can easily discern on their own.
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What is your source for what humans can easily discern on their own? Particularly your 11 degrees claim. You still haven't answered that.
--- Quote ---And you still haven't answered my question, since you seem not to like what I use as a benchmark for precision. I'll ask again:
Now, given the real world conditions of Dealey Plaza on Nov 11, 1963, how accurate do you think the TP witnesses audio localization capabilities were at the time?
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I don't care. I'm merely pointing out that 11 degrees off is not the "same direction". Nor is 3 degrees off. Same direction means zero degrees.
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