Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp

[Bill Brown]

I am a dispassionate lurker with no axe to grind either way in this discussion. I have carefully read each note within this thread. While this issue can't be brought to a jury or other body to determine what is the ultimate truth as to how Ruby got into position to kill Oswald, applying the criteria of what does the preponderance of the evidence seem to indicate, I think fair minded people would have to conclude that Ruby was assisted in some way in entering the location in order to kill Oswald. The person who had the responsibility to watch the ramp passed three polygraphs claiming he did not see Ruby entering - there are other ancillary witnesses that state the same thing. I don't view this through the lens of pro or anti conspiracy - I can only judge the assembled facts as we know them. Jack Ruby did not enter via the ramp - the fact that two separate investigatory bodies did not elect to determine to a greater extent how he did get in is unconscionable.

Hi Joe.

Roy Vaughn is the "person who had the responsibility to watch the ramp".

Vaughn "passed" a polygraph saying that he didn't "see Ruby enter".  All this really means is that Vaughn is not lying when he says no one walked down that ramp.  However, if Ruby entered the ramp unseen by Vaughn, then wouldn't Vaughn still pass the polygraph if he said something he believed to be true, even if he was wrong (but didn't know it)?

[Bill Brown]

Your failure to support with evidence what you claim is a fact in your OP shows who is the dishonest forum poster.

I have already answered this question. You just have chosen to ignore it so you can continue to distract from the obvious point of you having NO supporting evidence for your claim.

No.  You didn't already answer the question.  You're seriously confused as to what Ruby was saying.  The proof of your confused state is in your own words.  Ruby said he did not want to get anyone into trouble.  You question that by asking why would Ruby be worried about getting into even more trouble if he already was being charged with murder.  That makes no sense because Ruby did not say that he was worried about getting into more trouble.

Your confusion would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

[Richard Smith]

No one saw Ruby coming down the Main Street Ramp. Deal with it.

If Ruby came from the Western Union office, how exactly would he have gotten into the basement in that short timeframe except by the ramp?  If this was a planned event, why cut it so close and why would Ruby be running these meaningless errands?  Can you understand how improbable that would be in a planned event?

[Jerry Freeman]

I think it is possible that the DPD allowed Ruby to go down the ramp.  Not because they were involved in a conspiracy to kill Oswald ...

If one statement is 'possible' why not the other?

[Bill Brown]

James Turner, an employee of WBAP-TV Fort Worth, was standing at the bottom of the ramp on the east side, near the railing.
 He testified that shortly before the shooting of Oswald, he observed a man making his way down the ramp who he (Turner) was confident was Jack Ruby.

[Bill Brown]

Why not cite/quote your source for this claim?

So you're not familiar with the very report which you criticize so heavily.  You're a phony.

[Jerry Freeman]

Nov 25 1963 New York Times 
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1124.html

Notice for interest the front page -

Johnson affirms aims in Viet-Nam

Oswald is hushed

Johnson scored [sic]? by Chinese Reds

  It was another lightning fast telepathic investigation by Henry Wade concluded in one evening...
 

District Attorney Henry Wade said he understood that the police were looking into the possibility that Oswald had been slain to prevent him from talking, The Associated Press reported. Mr. Wade said that so far no connection between Oswald and Ruby had been established.

The 52-year-old night-club operator, an ardent admirer of President Kennedy and his family, was described as having been distraught.

 

The politically eccentric warehouse clerk

And here I thought he was a communist

 

Four plainclothes men, from a detail of about 50 police officers carrying out the transfer, pounced on Ruby as he fired the shot and overpowered him.

Maybe they needed more guys

 

Ruby, who came to Dallas from Chicago 15 years ago, had a police record here listing six allegations of minor offenses. The disposition of five was not noted. A charge of liquor law violation was dismissed. Two of the entries, in July, 1953, and May, 1954, involved carrying concealed weapons.

The city police, working with the Secret Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said last night that they had the case against Oswald "cinched."

When newsmen assembled at the police administrative offices at 10 o'clock, Chief Curry commented: "We could have done this earlier if I hadn't given you fellows that 10 o'clock time."

Chief Curry disclosed this morning that to thwart an attempt against Oswald, the trip was to be made in an armored van of the kind used to transfer money.

"We're not going to take any chances," he said. "Our squad cars are not bullet-proof. If somebody's going to try to do something, they[sic] wouldn't stop him."

probably meant ...that wouldn't stop him 

The plan was to lead Oswald out the doorway in the center of the basement and about 75 feet up the ramp to the back of the armored car.

"He's a respectable citizen who's been here for years and certainly is entitled to bail," the lawyer said. "We'll make any amount of bail."
"He [Ruby] is a great admirer of President Kennedy," the lawyer said, "and police officers."

 

Sheriff Bill Decker commented that the police "did everything humanly possible" to protect Oswald, as he said they had in the case of President Kennedy.

CYA everybody