The Limo Bullet Fragments....

[Walt Cakebread]

Patently absurd.  A fragment tells you nothing about who fired it.

Yes, I know, because Frazier lined up the markings in his mind when they wouldn't line up under the microscope.  But great.  Now all you have to do is show that bullet found on an unrelated stretcher at Parkland Hospital and the two fragments allegedly recovered from the limousine were actually involved in the assassination.

Says the guy who can't even demonstrate that this rifle was ever in the garage.

A fragment tells you nothing about who fired it.

Unless the bullet was made from some really unusual and exotic metal ..... It's nearly impossible to identify ANY manufacturing characteristic or caliber of bullet fragment...... And impossible to identify the gun that fired the tiny fragment of a bullet.

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

[Joe Elliott]

A fragment tells you nothing about who fired it.

False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

Some fragments are indeed to small to match to a rifle. But that is not true of all fragments.


Question:

What ballistic expert has stated that fragments can never be linked to a particular rifle based on the marks on them.

Unless the bullet was made from some really unusual and exotic metal ..... It's nearly impossible to identify ANY manufacturing characteristic or caliber of bullet fragment...... And impossible to identify the gun that fired the tiny fragment of a bullet.

Couldn?t any rifle of the proper type fire a bullet with a certain exotic metal composition? I assume you mean a mostly intact bullet was recovered, and a fragment was also recovered and the question came up ?Did the fragment come from that bullet?. I doubt any ballistic expert would say it did, to the exclusion of all other bullets in the world.

[Jack Trojan]

False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

BS

Question:

What ballistic expert has stated that fragments can never be linked to a particular rifle based on the marks on them.

None, because it's BS.

Couldn?t any rifle of the proper type fire a bullet with a certain exotic metal composition? I assume you mean a mostly intact bullet was recovered, and a fragment was also recovered and the question came up ?Did the fragment come from that bullet?. I doubt any ballistic expert would say it did, to the exclusion of all other bullets in the world.

Correct, no ballistic expert would/could.

[Walt Cakebread]

False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

Some fragments are indeed to small to match to a rifle. But that is not true of all fragments.


Question:

What ballistic expert has stated that fragments can never be linked to a particular rifle based on the marks on them.



Couldn?t any rifle of the proper type fire a bullet with a certain exotic metal composition? I assume you mean a mostly intact bullet was recovered, and a fragment was also recovered and the question came up ?Did the fragment come from that bullet?. I doubt any ballistic expert would say it did, to the exclusion of all other bullets in the world.

Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor.

This is utter nonsense!!.....and only a gullible, ignoramus would believe it.

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

[Andrew Mason]

I think the TV show would have benefited from a more careful study of Larry Sturdivan?s ?The JFK Myths?. In the book, Mr. Sturdivan explains that the effect of the material that is struck by a bullet on that bullet (does it deform, does it fragment) mostly depends on the density of the material.

This cannot be right. Mass per unit area, maybe. But not mass per unit volume (density). A 4 inch thick gold brick may deform a bullet but a thin gold foil certainly won't. Both have the same density.

[Walt Cakebread]

This cannot be right. Mass per unit area, maybe. But not mass per unit volume (density). A 4 inch thick gold brick may deform a bullet but a thin gold foil certainly won't. Both have the same density.

Could you bring a 4 inch thick gold brick to my house so we can perform the experiment?

[John Iacoletti]

False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

What do you mean, "false"?  How in the world does that tell you who fired it?