Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Richard Smith]

Walking on 10th street towards Denver street has him walking parallel with Jefferson, when, from Davis street, he should have been going south to Jefferson, on either Crawford or Patton and turn left on Jefferson. There was absolutely no need for him to be anywhere near 10th street.

If that's what actually happened, the answer is; no I can't. The difference between you and me is that you seem to believe that you know what other people do and for what reason and I don't. People do silly things that don't make sense to others all the time.

To summarize.  No one knows Oswald's exact route.  No one knows whether he walked, ran, got a ride or strapped a jet engine on his back.  What is known beyond any doubt - as confirmed by multiple witnesses and the evidence - is that Oswald was at the scene of the Tippit murder.  Applying basic common sense to that fact then informs us that if Oswald was at the scene, then he had time to get there regardless of the pedantic nitpicking of a contrarian.  Rendering all the attempts to conjure up false doubt about the timeline no longer relevant.

[Martin Weidmann]

To summarize.  No one knows Oswald's exact route.  No one knows whether he walked, ran, got a ride or strapped a jet engine on his back.  What is known beyond any doubt - as confirmed by multiple witnesses and the evidence - is that Oswald was at the scene of the Tippit murder.  Applying basic common sense to that fact then informs us that if Oswald was at the scene, then he had time to get there regardless of the pedantic nitpicking of a contrarian.  Rendering all the attempts to conjure up false doubt about the timeline no longer relevant.

No one knows Oswald's exact route.

Even worse. No one knows if Oswald did in fact walk the distance at all. It is just assumed that he did.

What is known beyond any doubt - as confirmed by multiple witnesses and the evidence - is that Oswald was at the scene of the Tippit murder.

Beyond any doubt? Really?

Applying basic common sense to that fact then informs us that if Oswald was at the scene, then he had time to get there regardless of the pedantic nitpicking of a contrarian.

Circular logic!

Common sense is a poor substitute for actual evidence. But if you want to play that game, how about the other side of the same coin;

If Oswald couldn't physically be at 10th street when Tippit was killed, because he simply did not have enough time to get there, then common sense should tell you that the witnesses (the least reliable evidence there is, to begin with) are simply wrong.

See how easy it is.....

The events of that day only happened in one way, which means that it isn't enough to just say Oswald had time to get there. Prove it...... but you won't, because you can't!

[Dan O'meara]

Why should I even bother to reply to your patronizing BS?

Of course it means nothing to you, because it doesn't fit in your narrative. And who said anything about "top speed"?

There hasn't been a single time trial that has shown that, at normal walking speed, the distance between the rooming house and 10th street takes less than 12 minutes. Your mathematical fact doesn't alter that one bit. Now, you can speculate all you want about how fast Oswald was running (without being noticed by anyone) but that would be just as silly - and this went clearly over your head - as claiming he drove there by car.... back to you, ground control.

But since you like mathematics so much, here's something for you to consider; Roberts said that she received a phone call from a friend who told her Kennedy had been killed and that she should turn on the television. The news of Kennedy's death was announced just after 1 PM. Oswald entered the rooming house when Roberts was trying to get the television to work. She already had the sound but not a good picture. This justifies the conclusion that Oswald did not enter the rooming house before 1 PM. If he only was in his room for 2 minutes, he would be back outside at 1:02 at the earliest.

Tippit's killer was seen walking (not running!) down 10th street by Markham at least one minute (but likely longer) before the shooting. You have agreed that my time line shows that Tippit was killed at 1:09, which means that Markham must have seen the killer walking down the street at 1:08 or even a bit earlier.

That leaves only six minutes at best between Oswald's departure from the rooming house and Markham's sighting of the killer. Can your mathematical brain figure out how Oswald could have (your words) jogged there in 8 minutes and still be on time to kill Tippit?

Even if he was running to Marsalis and Jefferson (which is only speculation on your part), there was no need or reason for him to be at 10th street. And that's what I asked you, but your  brain power didn't understand that, did it now?

Walking on 10th street towards Denver street has him walking parallel with Jefferson, when, from Davis street, he should have been going south to Jefferson, on either Crawford or Patton and turn left on Jefferson. There was absolutely no need for him to be anywhere near 10th street.

If that's what actually happened, the answer is; no I can't. The difference between you and me is that you seem to believe that you know what other people do and for what reason and I don't. People do silly things that don't make sense to others all the time.

"But since you like mathematics so much, here's something for you to consider; Roberts said that she received a phone call from a friend who told her Kennedy had been killed and that she should turn on the television. The news of Kennedy's death was announced just after 1 PM. Oswald entered the rooming house when Roberts was trying to get the television to work. She already had the sound but not a good picture. This justifies the conclusion that Oswald did not enter the rooming house before 1 PM. If he only was in his room for 2 minutes, he would be back outside at 1:02 at the earliest."

This is absolutely key to your argument about how Oswald couldn't get to the scene of the shooting in the allotted time.
I've already corrected you on this once but, as it doesn't serve your entrenched and highly bias view of things, you just ignore it and move on.
In the clip below (that you posted) at 4:37, Roberts begins to explain things from the moment she turned on the TV (presumably after her friend called)

She describes that a program called "As The World Turns" was on when suddenly a bulletin cut in about the assassination.
The bulletin Roberts is describing was at 12:40 PM.
She describes how she was then trying to find out more news about the assassination when Oswald came in.
Your notion that Roberts heard the news at 1:00 PM has been proven to be false (again) and I hope this time you don't resort to making up eye-witness testimony as you did last time. A truly underhand move.
ASSUMPTION - The 1:00 PM news hadn't come on yet otherwise Roberts wouldn't be searching the channels for more news. Her statement in the clip above all but proves Oswald came in between 12:40 PM and 1:00 PM.
Roberts heard the news of the assassination at 12:40 PM. Not 1:00 PM as your doomed argument requires.

But wait on. There's always Roberts' testimony:

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say

Testimony I know you view as solid gold when it comes to confirmation of the time - because it was after JFK was shot!!
Followed up by "what time I wouldn't want to say". Well I'm sold 

I know it is a complete waste of time posting this as far as you're concerned but others might be interested.

"There hasn't been a single time trial that has shown that, at normal walking speed, the distance between the rooming house and 10th street takes less than 12 minutes."


Normal walking speed  Who cares about normal walking speed?
What about on-the-run from the law speed?
Or got-to-get to-the-transfer-point by 1:15 PM speed?

[Dan O'meara]

Hate to break it to you: It wasn't Oswald in the cab.

You seem completely lost at the moment.

And you KNOW Oswald didn't know the timetable for the bus passing his rooming house?

"Hate to break it to you: It wasn't Oswald in the cab."

Really Otto? And who was it then?
Let me guess - you don't know.

[Martin Weidmann]

"But since you like mathematics so much, here's something for you to consider; Roberts said that she received a phone call from a friend who told her Kennedy had been killed and that she should turn on the television. The news of Kennedy's death was announced just after 1 PM. Oswald entered the rooming house when Roberts was trying to get the television to work. She already had the sound but not a good picture. This justifies the conclusion that Oswald did not enter the rooming house before 1 PM. If he only was in his room for 2 minutes, he would be back outside at 1:02 at the earliest."

This is absolutely key to your argument about how Oswald couldn't get to the scene of the shooting in the allotted time.
I've already corrected you on this once but, as it doesn't serve your entrenched and highly bias view of things, you just ignore it and move on.
In the clip below (that you posted) at 4:37, Roberts begins to explain things from the moment she turned on the TV (presumably after her friend called)

She describes that a program called "As The World Turns" was on when suddenly a bulletin cut in about the assassination.
The bulletin Roberts is describing was at 12:40 PM.
She describes how she was then trying to find out more news about the assassination when Oswald came in.
Your notion that Roberts heard the news at 1:00 PM has been proven to be false (again) and I hope this time you don't resort to making up eye-witness testimony as you did last time. A truly underhand move.
ASSUMPTION - The 1:00 PM news hadn't come on yet otherwise Roberts wouldn't be searching the channels for more news. Her statement in the clip above all but proves Oswald came in between 12:40 PM and 1:00 PM.
Roberts heard the news of the assassination at 12:40 PM. Not 1:00 PM as your doomed argument requires.

But wait on. There's always Roberts' testimony:

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say

Testimony I know you view as solid gold when it comes to confirmation of the time - because it was after JFK was shot!!
Followed up by "what time I wouldn't want to say". Well I'm sold 

I know it is a complete waste of time posting this as far as you're concerned but others might be interested.

"There hasn't been a single time trial that has shown that, at normal walking speed, the distance between the rooming house and 10th street takes less than 12 minutes."


Normal walking speed  Who cares about normal walking speed?
What about on-the-run from the law speed?
Or got-to-get to-the-transfer-point by 1:15 PM speed?

In the clip below (that you posted) at 4:37, Roberts begins to explain things from the moment she turned on the TV (presumably after her friend called). She describes how she was then trying to find out more news about the assassination when Oswald came in.

What an amazing display of total ignorance combined with cherry picking the evidence you like. Yes, Roberts does say that she was watching "As the world turns" when, at 12:40, a special bulletin came on about shots being fired at the President and that the first reports say that Kennedy had been seriously wounded.

The problem with this is that the bulletin was the first news broadcast about the shooting and it said nothing about Kennedy being killed. You can presume all you want that this bulletin was broadcast after her friend called, but that simply does not match the facts. For a start, if this was the first news broadcast about the shooting, how could the friend even have known there had been a shooting. Secondly, the friend told Roberts that Kennedy had been killed and that news was not made public until 1 PM. In the video below she says that she turned to television on after her friend told her Kennedy had been killed.

And she confirms the sequence of events in her testimony.

Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was after President Kennedy had been shot and I had a friend that said, "Roberts, President Kennedy has been shot," and I said, "Oh, no." She said, "Turn on your television," and I said "What are you trying to do, pull my leg?" And she said, "Well, go turn it on." I went and turned it on and I was trying to clear it up---I could hear them talking but I couldn't get the picture and he come in

So, Roberts' comment that she turned the television on after her friend called is indeed strange, if the television had been on the whole time. However, she said it twice and in her testimony she does not mention "As the world turns" or the special bulletin at all, which leaves open the possibility that that story was nothing more than an embellishment of her story for the media. This seems to be classic Roberts as described by her employer, Mrs. Johnson, making up stories as she goes along.

But ignoring/dismissing that information is not even half of your mistake, because at 5.12 in the video you have posted Roberts also says that it must have been after one o'clock when Oswald came in. And, as you've have pointed out, she also said the same thing in her testimony.

ASSUMPTION - The 1:00 PM news hadn't come on yet otherwise Roberts wouldn't be searching the channels for more news. Her statement in the clip above all but proves Oswald came in between 12:40 PM and 1:00 PM.

Except it doesn't. Not even close. The apparent contradiction in Roberts' statements about when she turned the television on is what you are trying to exploit for your bogus argument to push back the time of Oswald's entry at the rooming house which has the sole purpose (just like the jacket fairytale you came up with) to keep Oswald in play as Tippit's killer.

But what blows your entire theory straight out of the water is the documented time Oswald needed to get from the TSBD to the rooming house. There is no way that Oswald could have entered the rooming house when Roberts - as you claim - turned on the television at 12:40. And there is no way he could have come in at - let's say 12:50 or 12:55 - either because then he wouldn't be coming in when Roberts was turning on the television, as she said he did.

Roberts testimony is clear as day on that point; Oswald came in as she was turning on the television. In your version that would be at 12:40, and in Roberts' version at 1 PM. There is no way Oswald could be at the rooming house at 12:40.... need help to figure out the rest?

Roberts heard the news of the assassination at 12:40 PM. Not 1:00 PM as your doomed argument requires.

My argument does not require that Roberts heard the news about the assassination at 1 PM.

I know it is a complete waste of time posting this as far as you're concerned but others might be interested.

You claim to know what Oswald was thinking, what witnesses were thinking and now you even believe you know what I am thinking. That's one hell of a delusion.

"There hasn't been a single time trial that has shown that, at normal walking speed, the distance between the rooming house and 10th street takes less than 12 minutes."


Normal walking speed  Who cares about normal walking speed?
What about on-the-run from the law speed?
Or got-to-get to-the-transfer-point by 1:15 PM speed?

The only speed you seem to be interested in is the one that gets Oswald to 10th street in time to kill Tippit. You are not looking at the facts in this case, you are twisting and turning to create your own set of "facts" with an already predetermined outcome.

[Bill Chapman]

Exactly.

But he was a wino, good enough for you?

Wow, you're so bad with the evidence.

'But he was a wino, good enough for you?'

Yep

[Bill Chapman]

Oswald's witnessed Method of Locomotion After Tippit

Benavides: "He kind of stepped up to a pretty good trot going around the corner."
Markham: 'He started off in kind of a little trot.'
Callaway:

[Dan O'meara]

In the clip below (that you posted) at 4:37, Roberts begins to explain things from the moment she turned on the TV (presumably after her friend called). She describes how she was then trying to find out more news about the assassination when Oswald came in.

What an amazing display of total ignorance combined with cherry picking the evidence you like. Yes, Roberts does say that she was watching "As the world turns" when, at 12:40, a special bulletin came on about shots being fired at the President and that the first reports say that Kennedy had been seriously wounded.

The problem with this is that the bulletin was the first news broadcast about the shooting and it said nothing about Kennedy being killed. You can presume all you want that this bulletin was broadcast after her friend called, but that simply does not match the facts. For a start, if this was the first news broadcast about the shooting, how could the friend even have known there had been a shooting. Secondly, the friend told Roberts that Kennedy had been killed and that news was not made public until 1 PM. In the video below she says that she turned to television on after her friend told her Kennedy had been killed.

And she confirms the sequence of events in her testimony.

Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was after President Kennedy had been shot and I had a friend that said, "Roberts, President Kennedy has been shot," and I said, "Oh, no." She said, "Turn on your television," and I said "What are you trying to do, pull my leg?" And she said, "Well, go turn it on." I went and turned it on and I was trying to clear it up---I could hear them talking but I couldn't get the picture and he come in

So, Roberts' comment that she turned the television on after her friend called is indeed strange, if the television had been on the whole time. However, she said it twice and in her testimony she does not mention "As the world turns" or the special bulletin at all, which leaves open the possibility that that story was nothing more than an embellishment of her story for the media. This seems to be classic Roberts as described by her employer, Mrs. Johnson, making up stories as she goes along.

But ignoring/dismissing that information is not even half of your mistake, because at 5.12 in the video you have posted Roberts also says that it must have been after one o'clock when Oswald came in. And, as you've have pointed out, she also said the same thing in her testimony.

ASSUMPTION - The 1:00 PM news hadn't come on yet otherwise Roberts wouldn't be searching the channels for more news. Her statement in the clip above all but proves Oswald came in between 12:40 PM and 1:00 PM.

Except it doesn't. Not even close. The apparent contradiction in Roberts' statements about when she turned the television on is what you are trying to exploit for your bogus argument to push back the time of Oswald's entry at the rooming house which has the sole purpose (just like the jacket fairytale you came up with) to keep Oswald in play as Tippit's killer.

But what blows your entire theory straight out of the water is the documented time Oswald needed to get from the TSBD to the rooming house. There is no way that Oswald could have entered the rooming house when Roberts - as you claim - turned on the television at 12:40. And there is no way he could have come in at - let's say 12:50 or 12:55 - either because then he wouldn't be coming in when Roberts was turning on the television, as she said he did.

Roberts testimony is clear as day on that point; Oswald came in as she was turning on the television. In your version that would be at 12:40, and in Roberts' version at 1 PM. There is no way Oswald could be at the rooming house at 12:40.... need help to figure out the rest?

Roberts heard the news of the assassination at 12:40 PM. Not 1:00 PM as your doomed argument requires.

My argument does not require that Roberts heard the news about the assassination at 1 PM.

I know it is a complete waste of time posting this as far as you're concerned but others might be interested.

You claim to know what Oswald was thinking, what witnesses were thinking and now you even believe you know what I am thinking. That's one hell of a delusion.

The only speed you seem to be interested in is the one that gets Oswald to 10th street in time to kill Tippit. You are not looking at the facts in this case, you are twisting and turning to create your own set of "facts" with an already predetermined outcome.

"And there is no way he could have come in at - let's say 12:50 or 12:55 - either because then he wouldn't be coming in when Roberts was turning on the television, as she said he did.
Roberts testimony is clear as day on that point; Oswald came in as she was turning on the television."

Nowhere in her testimony does Roberts say Oswald came in as she was turning the TV on.
Once again you are falsifying witness testimony. You are just unbelievable.
This despicable strategy speaks volumes about your desperation to justify your entrenched mind-set.
How you can accuse anyone of dishonesty is hypocrisy of the highest order.
You simply don't care what you say and have zero interest in anything other that your ill-conceived theory.

"So, Roberts' comment that she turned the television on after her friend called is indeed strange, if the television had been on the whole time. However, she said it twice and in her testimony she does not mention "As the world turns" or the special bulletin at all, which leaves open the possibility that that story was nothing more than an embellishment of her story for the media. This seems to be classic Roberts as described by her employer, Mrs. Johnson, making up stories as she goes along."

Absolutely classic Tinfoil mentality.
Hanging all your hopes on Roberts' testimony then holding her up as a pathological liar just because she makes a mockery of your nonsense.
Are you not ashamed to portray yourself as reasonable?

"My argument does not require that Roberts heard the news about the assassination at 1 PM."

Truly unbelievable.
Your whole sorry tale relies on Roberts' testimony and your completely made up assertion that she heard the news at 1:00 PM
Let's not forget, this was the another instance of when you falsified eye-witness testimony, insisting Roberts had actually said she was looking for the 1:00 PM news when Oswald came in.
It should come as no surprise to find you using this most dishonest strategy once again.
But it does.