Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Martin Weidmann]

I do.

But...

I now prefer to just sit back and watch Dan O'meara dismantle you piece by piece.

Dan is not a LNer but, like probably everyone else, is growing tired of your troll-like behavior.

Run Bill.. run as fast as you can.

[Bill Brown]

Speaking of running....

The shooting takes place at 1:14.  Benavides begins keying the mic around 1:15-1:16.  Bowley finally grabs the mic from Benavides at 1:17.

Even this argument contradicts your own claims about Callaway. You've stated that it took Callaway less than 3 minutes after the shots to reach the scene. If the shooting took place at 1:14 you would have Callaway arriving at 1:17 which is when you claim Bowley made his (46 seconds long) call to the dispatcher. Callaway himself said that he wasn't sure if the dispatcher had been called, which can only mean that he did not see Bowley work the radio. In other words, if it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to get there (which I believe it did, because Croy's testimony confirms it), the following events must have already occured prior to 1:17;

First, where did I state that it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to reach the scene?

[Martin Weidmann]

Hidden deep inside Frazier's WC testimony where it's almost impossible to find:

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have because most time I noticed when Lee had it, I say he put off his shirt and just wear a T-shirt the biggest part of the time so really what shirt he wore that day I really didn't see it or didn't pay enough attention to it whether he did have a shirt on.
Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
Mr. BALL - Did it have a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was one of the zipper types.
Mr. BALL - It isn't one of these two zipper jackets we have shown?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
...
Mr. BALL - I have here a paper sack which is Commission's Exhibit 364. That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
Mr. BALL - You mentioned it was woolen.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Are you sure you're a JFK researcher because these are the basics.
Your notion Oswald went to work with the grey/blue jacket on is wrong.
Your idea that Oswald left the grey jacket in Irving is wrong.
Your whole idea that Oswald left the TSBD without his jacket is wrong.
You've completely misunderstood some very basic stuff.

Sure...

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have because most time I noticed when Lee had it, I say he put off his shirt and just wear a T-shirt the biggest part of the time so really what shirt he wore that day I really didn't see it or didn't pay enough attention to it whether he did have a shirt on.
Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
Mr. BALL - Did it have a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was one of the zipper types.
Mr. BALL - It isn't one of these two zipper jackets we have shown?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.

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Mr. BALL - I have here a paper sack which is Commission's Exhibit 364. That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
Mr. BALL - You mentioned it was woolen.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Buttoned sleeves at the wrist, or do you remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.
Mr. BALL - You say it had a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.


You really need to read Frazier's testimony more carefully and assume less, so you won't jump to unwarrented conclusions.

And no, I'm not a JFK researcher. I actually have a life. I'm just interested in the case but in the bigger scheme of things I couldn't care less about any of the individuals involved, and that includes Oswald. I'm merely trying to find out what actually happened. That's all.

Your notion Oswald went to work with the grey/blue jacket on is wrong.
Your idea that Oswald left the grey jacket in Irving is wrong.

And still Oswald's blue/grey jacket was found at the TSBD after the assassination. Now how could that have gotten there?

Your whole idea that Oswald left the TSBD without his jacket is wrong.
You've completely misunderstood some very basic stuff.

You might want to take that up with the Warren Commission because they have Oswald leaving the TSBD without wearing a jacket and they attach value to the statements of Bledsoe who said she saw a hole in Oswald's shirt sleeve on the bus, which seems a bit difficult to see if he was wearing a jacket.

Basic stuff....

[Martin Weidmann]

Lame.

Show me proof positive Oswald did not leave the rooming house wearing a jacket!

Fair enough?

No, extremely pathetic.

A negative can not be proven. You claim he left the rooming house wearing a jacket, you prove it. Stop playing games, they only make you look weak.

[Martin Weidmann]

Oswald pulled a gun on an officer inside the Texas Theatre and tried to shoot him. That alone is the proof Oswald shot Kennedy.

Really? Wow!

[Martin Weidmann]

Speaking of running....


First, where did I state that it took Callaway less than three minutes after the shots to reach the scene?

You didn't say it, I did.

He tells us what he did upon hearing the shots and it does not take ten minutes.

I agree. It took him no more than 3 minutes.

There's really nothing for us to discuss then. 

Why would you say there's really nothing for us to discuss, if you didn't agree with me?

Cue for word games

Btw I have a note here that says you said something similar during our conversation in December 2020, but I'm to lazy to look for that now. Might do it some other time, though....

And yes, speaking of running....

Are you going to produce the proof that the Nash couple actually saw the Funeral Home time stamped slip, some time in this century?

And btw where exactly did McWatters testify that "Oswald got on the bus", as you claimed he did in your interview?

[Dan O'meara]

Sure...

Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have because most time I noticed when Lee had it, I say he put off his shirt and just wear a T-shirt the biggest part of the time so really what shirt he wore that day I really didn't see it or didn't pay enough attention to it whether he did have a shirt on.
Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
Mr. BALL - Did it have a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; it was one of the zipper types.
Mr. BALL - It isn't one of these two zipper jackets we have shown?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.

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Mr. BALL - I have here a paper sack which is Commission's Exhibit 364. That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
Mr. BALL - You mentioned it was woolen.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Buttoned sleeves at the wrist, or do you remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.
Mr. BALL - You say it had a zipper on it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.


You really need to read Frazier's testimony more carefully and assume less, so you won't jump to unwarrented conclusions.

At least I'd read it, unlike yourself.
And based my "unwarranted conclusions" on the part where Frazier described Oswald wearing a light grey jacket to work that morning.
No thanks necessary for steering you in the right direction.

And no, I'm not a JFK researcher.

 

Your notion Oswald went to work with the grey/blue jacket on is wrong.
Your idea that Oswald left the grey jacket in Irving is wrong.

And still Oswald's blue/grey jacket was found at the TSBD after the assassination. Now how could that have gotten there?

It's a bit of a mystery.
But one thing we do know - it wasn't the jacket Oswald wore to work that morning

Your whole idea that Oswald left the TSBD without his jacket is wrong.
You've completely misunderstood some very basic stuff.

You might want to take that up with the Warren Commission because they have Oswald leaving the TSBD without wearing a jacket and they attach value to the statements of Bledsoe who said she saw a hole in Oswald's shirt sleeve on the bus, which seems a bit difficult to see if he was wearing a jacket.

 
You, of all people, invoking the Warren Commission. Priceless.

Basic stuff....

Speaking of which...
Here's another gem I managed to dig out:

Mr. BALL. How was Lee dressed that morning?
Mrs. RANDLE. He had on a white T-shirt, I just saw him from the waist up, I didn't pay any attention to his pants or anything, when he was going with the package. I was more interested in that. But he had on a white T-shirt and I remember some sort of brown or tan shirt and he had a gray jacket, I believe.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket. I will show you some clothing here. First, I will show you a gray jacket. Does this look anything like the jacket he had on?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That morning?
Mrs. RANDLE. Similar to that. I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to it.
Mr. BALL. Was it similar in color?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I think so. It had big sleeves.
Mr. BALL. Take a look at these sleeves. Was it similar in color?
Mrs. RANDLE. I believe so.

What were you thinking 

[Martin Weidmann]

At least I'd read it, unlike yourself.
And based my "unwarranted conclusions" on the part where Frazier described Oswald wearing a light grey jacket to work that morning.
No thanks necessary for steering you in the right direction.

 

It's a bit of a mystery.
But one thing we do know - it wasn't the jacket Oswald wore to work that morning

 
You, of all people, invoking the Warren Commission. Priceless.

Speaking of which...
Here's another gem I managed to dig out:

Mr. BALL. How was Lee dressed that morning?
Mrs. RANDLE. He had on a white T-shirt, I just saw him from the waist up, I didn't pay any attention to his pants or anything, when he was going with the package. I was more interested in that. But he had on a white T-shirt and I remember some sort of brown or tan shirt and he had a gray jacket, I believe.
Mr. BALL. A gray jacket. I will show you some clothing here. First, I will show you a gray jacket. Does this look anything like the jacket he had on?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That morning?
Mrs. RANDLE. Similar to that. I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to it.
Mr. BALL. Was it similar in color?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir; I think so. It had big sleeves.
Mr. BALL. Take a look at these sleeves. Was it similar in color?
Mrs. RANDLE. I believe so.

What were you thinking 

Mrs. RANDLE. Similar to that. I didn't pay an awful lot of attention to it.

That's some identification! Not convincing for any reasonable person but enough for the average LN.

At least I'd read it, unlike yourself.

So now you know what I have read? Really... stop drinking the cool aid! I not only have read it, I have discussed it, and much more, with Frazier in person. You clearly haven't got a clue who you are talking to, because otherwise you wouldn't make such a stupid comment.

What I am thinking?

The mask has fallen.... the lie is exposed

By the way - I'm a CTer, not an LNer.

That's what I am thinking.