Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Bill Brown]

The Davis shells do. But even if they didn't it wouldn't matter since their having been made readily identifiable by Dhority and Doughty did away with the need for a chain of custody.

Evidently not when Poe and Barnes testified.

You want to try again?

How about YOU try again?

What do Poe and Barnes have to do with the two Davis shells, Doughty and Dhority?

I can't wait to hear this one.

[Martin Weidmann]

Martin, I pointed out that evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated. You said No. You were wrong. "Real evidence must be relevant, material, and authentic before a judge will permit its use in a trial."

Having OJ try the gloves on was not the Defense challenging the chain of custody. It was the prosecution being stupid. It was Christopher Darden, not the Defense , who had OJ try putting the gloves on.

Martin, I pointed out that evidence is not admitted into court without first being authenticated.

Nope, that?s what you turned it into later. You began by basically claiming that the admittance of a piece of evidence somehow automatically certifies it?s probative value to such an extend that the defense could do nothing more about it. And that is simply not true.

Having OJ try the gloves on was not the Defense challenging the chain of custody.

I never said anything about OJ trying on the gloves. And the defense did in fact challenge the chain of custody when they questioned the credibility of Mark Furman who claimed to have found one of the gloves behind OJ?s house.

[Bill Brown]

When police initially arrived at the scene of the Tippit shooting, the dictabelt had recorded six addresses for the location of the crime scene. This situation is particularly difficult to dismiss since a citizen reported the shooting to the police over the two-way radio of Tippit?s patrol car.

Anyone familiar with the evidence in the case (the addresses relevant to the witnesses) would understand perfectly why there were different addresses.

For example, L.J. Lewis, Pat Patterson, Harold Russell and Warren Reynolds were at the Reynolds Motor Company when they heard the shots.  They looked up Patton towards the sound of the shots and saw a man running down Patton (towards them) with a gun in his hands.  Harold Russell went up to Tenth Street.  Warren Reynolds and Pat Patterson followed the killer.  However, Lewis went inside the offices of the car lot and called the police.  The address of the car lot, where Lewis was calling from, was 510 E. Jefferson Boulevard.

510 E. Jefferson Blvd. was one of the addresses mentioned in the police tapes.

[Mitch Todd]

Scattered?

Hill also later said he put his mark in them...

What happened to those marks?

Offhand, I don't remember the exact term he used, but he did say that he figured it was an auto from the way that the cases were distributed. Or, "scattered" as I said it. Like I said, I think that the ".32 dark finish automatic" description of the murderous firearm exerted an influence of it's own, and likely more than anything  to do with the location of the cases.

As for the marks, I don't know. I wearied of CT chain-of-custody arguments years ago, when I realized that the goalposts would never stop being moved on me. Just like you are now trying to do by changing the subject from "why did Hill radio 'automatic .38'" to "what is the chain of evidence for the .38 cases?"

It looks like someone else has taken up that thankless task anyway, so I'll leave it to them. The subject seems to be in good hands.

[Martin Weidmann]

No delusions at all. You really did give up more than you maybe wanted to.


Oh, but I've been assured there is, and by someone who actually knows for sure. It's not a concisely-written thing like you'll find from ISO or ANSI or an IETF RFC, but made up of guidelines and appellate (and maybe even Supreme) court decisions. Oh, and it's tied into admissibility.


You presumed that "there isn't a official standard. It doesn?t exist!" That is totally wrong. So much for "never."

You presumed that "there isn't a official standard. It doesn?t exist!" That is totally wrong. So much for "never."

If there was an official standard you would be able to search for and find the relevant document(s) and show it here. The mere fact that you pathetically try to fall back on an alleged assurance by some unnamed person who you claim `knows for sure "is telling enough". You will not be able to produce a document containing an official standard simply because it doesn?t exist.

And you in fact have admitted as much.... by saying (1) that there is no "concisely-written thing" and (2) that it is "made up of guidelines and appellate (and maybe even Supreme) court decisions" which is actually nothing more than jurisprudence.

[Tim Nickerson]

Evidently not when Poe and Barnes testified.

You want to try again?

Neither Poe nor Barnes had anything to do with the Davis shells.

[Tim Nickerson]

And the marks read?

However Dhority and Doughty marked them.