Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Richard Smith]

However short you think that timeframe is for Oswald to get to the scene, the evidence confirms he was there.  Multiple witnesses, the pistol, the ammo link Oswald to the crime.

You are free to believe whatever you want even if your subjective bias blinds you from the real problems with the evidence.

The only "problem" here is that you cannot discern the difference between information and knowledge.  The evidence links Oswald to the Tippit killing beyond any reasonable doubt.  That implicitly means he had time to reach the Tippit scene even if we cannot reconstruct the timeline almost 60 years later with pedantic scientific precision.  There can't be doubt about Oswald's ability to reach the scene if the evidence is conclusive that he was there.  No matter how much you beat it to death in a desperate attempt to create false doubt.  The thing speaks for itself.     

[Martin Weidmann]

The only "problem" here is that you cannot discern the difference between information and knowledge.  The evidence links Oswald to the Tippit killing beyond any reasonable doubt.  That implicitly means he had time to reach the Tippit scene even if we cannot reconstruct the timeline almost 60 years later with pedantic scientific precision.  There can't be doubt about Oswald's ability to reach the scene if the evidence is conclusive that he was there.  No matter how much you beat it to death in a desperate attempt to create false doubt.  The thing speaks for itself.   

The evidence links Oswald to the Tippit killing beyond any reasonable doubt.

If you say so.... oh wait, you don't really think I am just going to take your word for it, do you?

There can't be doubt about Oswald's ability to reach the scene if the evidence is conclusive that he was there.

There can't be any doubt that you actually believe that the evidence is conclusive, that's for sure.
Just too bad that you fail time after time in presenting that "conclusive" evidence and in turn constantly present assumptions and speculation.

[Dan O'meara]

I most certainly do not accept that it is "impossible" for Oswald to be around 10th and Patton for the timeline you are presenting.

I did not say that it was impossible for him to be there. I said it was impossible for him to get there on time on foot. There is a difference.

Agreed, I was assuming he made it on foot but didn't specify.

This has Oswald leaving the house at 12:57 PM.
Is that also impossible?

This has Oswald leaving the house at 12:58 PM.
Is that impossible?

Yes on both counts IMO

How is it "impossible" that Oswald left the house at 12:58 PM
This seems like quite an extreme statement (IMO)
You must have a really good, solid reason for believing it's "impossible", particularly when you have no idea of the speed Oswald was moving. Roberts gives the distinct impression he was in a big hurry - "all but running".
According to Google Maps the distance between Oswald's rooming house and 10th and Patton is 0.8 miles.
At the not impossible speed of 6mph this distance can be covered in 8 minutes
At 5mph it can be covered in less than 10 minutes.
These are not impossible parameters

And what if Oswald only needs to be there 30 seconds beforehand, at 1:09 PM

merely 30 seconds?

Markham said she watched him crossing Patton and walking to the location of the shooting. That distance alone (from Patton to where Tippit stopped him) took - according to a video posted by Bill Brown - around 30 seconds to walk. Remember Benavides who waited in his truck for an estimated 45 seconds until the killer disappeared on Patton?

And then there was the interaction with Tippit, before Tippit got out of the car and was shot. How long do you think that took?

Fair enough.
One minute seems a more reasonable estimate.

These things can't be known with exact precision, hence the need for a range of times.

I agree. That's why I prefer my own timing of the walk which was 12,5 minutes. If Oswald was on 10th street at 1:08 (which computes with Markham's arrival, after walking one block), then he must have left the rooming house at 12:56 at the latest. I don't believe that happened.

That's not a range of possibilities.
That's just you deciding what it is.

[Richard Smith]

The evidence links Oswald to the Tippit killing beyond any reasonable doubt.

If you say so.... oh wait, you don't really think I am just going to take your word for it, do you?

There can't be doubt about Oswald's ability to reach the scene if the evidence is conclusive that he was there.

There can't be any doubt that you actually believe that the evidence is conclusive, that's for sure.
Just too bad that you fail time after time in presenting that "conclusive" evidence and in turn constantly present assumptions and speculation.

It has nothing to do with me or your pedantic efforts to create fake doubt.  The witnesses who were there confirmed that Oswald was present at the time and place of Tippit's murder.  That is confirmed by Oswald's possession of the murder weapon and identical two brands of ammo that were used to murder Tippit.  Compounded with evidence of Oswald's flight from the scene of the JFK assassination and resisting arrest.  There is no reasonable basis to conclude from the evidence that there is any doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.  All your nitpicking and attempts to shoehorn your subjective bias into a timeline that suits you desired narrative is not relevant to Oswald's guilt.  He was there, thus we know that he had the time to reach that point even if it is not possible to precisely know his every movement down to the minute.

[Martin Weidmann]

Agreed, I was assuming he made it on foot but didn't specify.

How is it "impossible" that Oswald left the house at 12:58 PM
This seems like quite an extreme statement (IMO)
You must have a really good, solid reason for believing it's "impossible", particularly when you have no idea of the speed Oswald was moving. Roberts gives the distinct impression he was in a big hurry - "all but running".
According to Google Maps the distance between Oswald's rooming house and 10th and Patton is 0.8 miles.
At the not impossible speed of 6mph this distance can be covered in 8 minutes
At 5mph it can be covered in less than 10 minutes.
These are not impossible parameters

Fair enough.
One minute seems a more reasonable estimate.

That's not a range of possibilities.
That's just you deciding what it is.

How is it "impossible" that Oswald left the house at 12:58 PM
This seems like quite an extreme statement (IMO)
You must have a really good, solid reason for believing it's "impossible", particularly when you have no idea of the speed Oswald was moving. Roberts gives the distinct impression he was in a big hurry - "all but running".

Roberts did not say anything about Oswald's movements outside the house except for the fact that she saw him standing at the bus stop in front of the house. Does that give the impression of somebody being in a big hurry? The comment "you sure are in a big hurry", made by Roberts, was about the way she percieved Oswald to be as he entered the house. When I say to somebody that I am in a hurry, does that automatically mean that I will be running?

I do have a reason and will leave it up to you to decide if it is a good one or not.

At 5.03 minutes in this timeline special Roberts tells us Oswald entered the rooming house after 1 PM

If you believe her about seeing Oswald leaving zipping up a jacket, then why do you doubt her when she says this?

I don't really understand the need to push back the time Oswald left the rooming house or for that matter to assume that he must have run. It seems desperation to keep him in play for the Tippit shooting. The WC and the FBI did something similar. Hoover first concluded that they had their man and then they started to look for evidence that would fit their narrative.


According to Google Maps the distance between Oswald's rooming house and 10th and Patton is 0.8 miles.
At the not impossible speed of 6mph this distance can be covered in 8 minutes
At 5mph it can be covered in less than 10 minutes.
These are not impossible parameters

Not impossible? Maybe, but are they realistic? Why would you need "not impossible" parameters rather than looking at it objectively? This is all theory. Actually Google Maps gives as estimated time for walking the distance 17 minutes. And the average walking speed of a human is 15 to 20 minutes for one mile, so I am not sure where you are getting your numbers from. As I already told you a split time trial by Gary Mack concluded the time needed to walk the distance was 11 minutes. The problem with that time is that they timed two different walks and then calculated the total. When I walked the distance myself it took me 12,5 minutes. I consider my personal experience of more value than an estimate from Google Maps.

Fair enough.
One minute seems a more reasonable estimate.

I'm not so sure if a minute would be enough. Tippit called the man, he probably turned around and did not instantly walk towards the car. He then approached the car and talked to Tippit through the window opening of the passenger door. Then Tippit decided that he would get out of the car and did so. All that in 30 seconds? Really?

That's not a range of possibilities.
That's just you deciding what it is.

It's my best estimate. Markham saw the man at 1:08, when she arrived at 10th/Patton herself. Going by my own timing of the walk, the conclusion can only be that Oswald must have left the rooming house at 12:56 to be there. And that's him leaving.... According to Roberts he was in the house for about 3 minutes, so in this scenario he must have arrived at the rooming house no later than 12:53. I just don't see that as realistic.

[Martin Weidmann]

It has nothing to do with me or your pedantic efforts to create fake doubt.  The witnesses who were there confirmed that Oswald was present at the time and place of Tippit's murder.  That is confirmed by Oswald's possession of the murder weapon and identical two brands of ammo that were used to murder Tippit.  Compounded with evidence of Oswald's flight from the scene of the JFK assassination and resisting arrest.  There is no reasonable basis to conclude from the evidence that there is any doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.  All your nitpicking and attempts to shoehorn your subjective bias into a timeline that suits you desired narrative is not relevant to Oswald's guilt.  He was there, thus we know that he had the time to reach that point even if it is not possible to precisely know his every movement down to the minute.

Is "pedantic" your word of the week, or is it perhaps that you figure it makes you look smart to use words like that?

There is no reasonable basis to conclude from the evidence that there is any doubt that Oswald murdered Tippit.

So you keep telling me, but when it comes to discussing the evidence you get all defensive or simply refuse to do so. Why is that?

He was there, thus we know that he had the time to reach that point even if it is not possible to precisely know his every movement down to the minute.

It's a hell of an argument to make to a jury; "Members of the jury, it doesn't matter that the defendant couldn't have been at that location at that time is not important. What is important is that Inspector Clouseau says he was there.   

[Richard Smith]

You've just been destroyed claiming Oswald owned the rifle found on the 6th floor.

You've been posting this nonsense for a decade, approximately, making a fool of yourself.

"evidence" -- ROFL

Another valuable contribution with all the hallmarks of a typical Otto post: 

Personal insults - check. 

No substance - big check on that one.