Lee Oswald The Cop Killer

[Martin Weidmann]

I have to say, Martin, that I'm coming round to your way of thinking.
602 is around 510 East Jefferson when they ask the address. Once they get 501 East 10th they only have to drive a short distance up Denver to the intersection with 10th. When they get to the intersection they only have to look left to see where the small crowd is gathered near the squad car and the call "Code 6" can go in immediately. By the time they roll up to the scene and check out the condition of Tippit, maybe open the back doors etc. there is very little time, a matter of a few seconds, in which Callaway can help load Tippit into the ambulance.
I concede that it is far more likely the sirens on Callaway's call are 602 arriving. As far as the 6 minute discrepancy is concerned...
...in one set of scales is a preponderance of interlocking testimony in the other the 6 minute discrepancy.
Having the ambulance arrive before Callaway's call on the DPD tapes threw me and I hadn't appreciated the very small amount in time which Callaway would have to help out loading Tippit.

Shots at 1:09 PM

So, you're a truth seeker after all. Well done! 

One final comment about the DPD radio transcripts, going by what Bowles told the HSCA;

Let's say the real time is 1:10
But the master clock connected to the City Hall system shows 1:12 as "official" time
And the clocks used by the dispatchers are all different and 2 minutes faster than the "official" time. That gets the time up to 1:14.
And then consider that the dispatchers were not always punctual in giving the correct time stamp, so consider an error rate of 2 minutes and you can end up with a time stamp of 1:16 when the real time is actually 1:10.

Once the error of a wrong time stamp crept in it was unlikely to be corrected as long as the dispatchers were busy.

I fully appreciate that this may be hard for some to believe or accept, but, considering what Bowles said, it clearly is a possibility that this is what happened and even more so when one considers the fact that it must have been pandemonium at the dispatchers office just after Kennedy's and Tippit's murder. Phone calls coming in, "call sheets" coming in on a conveyer belt and constant radio calls. I can imagine that under those hectic circumstances a dispatcher might lose sight of the time.

Now comes IMO the more difficult part. Can it be determined that the time stamps on DPD radio tapes were simply off because of the problems with the system as described above or are there possibly indications that the actual recordings (made on voice activated equipment) were manipulated.

[Dan O'meara]

So, you're a truth seeker after all. Well done! 

Always have been.

One final comment about the DPD radio transcripts, going by what Bowles told the HSCA;

Let's say the real time is 1:10
But the master clock connected to the City Hall system shows 1:12 as "official" time
And the clocks used by the dispatchers are all different and 2 minutes faster than the "official" time. That gets the time up to 1:14.
And then consider that the dispatchers were not always punctual in giving the correct time stamp, so consider an error rate of 2 minutes and you can end up with a time stamp of 1:16 when the real time is actually 1:10.

Once the error of a wrong time stamp crept in it was unlikely to be corrected as long as the dispatchers were busy.

I fully appreciate that this may be hard for some to believe or accept, but, considering what Bowles said, it clearly is a possibility that this is what happened and even more so when one considers the fact that it must have been pandemonium at the dispatchers office just after Kennedy's and Tippit's murder. Phone calls coming in, "call sheets" coming in on a conveyer belt and constant radio calls. I can imagine that under those hectic circumstances a dispatcher might lose sight of the time.

Still surprised about the size of the discrepancy but once this is ignored everything else fits together in a satisfactory way (IMO).
The clincher was something I should have spotted as soon as I'd noticed ambulance 602 gave the "Code 6" before Callaway's call. I imagined Callaway arriving after 3 minutes then helping out with the ambulance for a minute or more before making his call which is something clearly not supported by the transcripts. Once the travel time of 602 from East Jefferson is taken into account, plus the time to check out Tippit etc., there was only a matter of seconds left for Callaway to help out, which is totally unrealistic.
Once this issue was resolved Callaway's testimony made sense, as did Markham's, Bowley's and Davenport's.
Benevides is quicker on the scene than I imagined but those seconds after the shooting must have seemed a lot longer than they actually were.

[Martin Weidmann]

Always have been.

Still surprised about the size of the discrepancy but once this is ignored everything else fits together in a satisfactory way (IMO).
The clincher was something I should have spotted as soon as I'd noticed ambulance 602 gave the "Code 6" before Callaway's call. I imagined Callaway arriving after 3 minutes then helping out with the ambulance for a minute or more before making his call which is something clearly not supported by the transcripts. Once the travel time of 602 from East Jefferson is taken into account, plus the time to check out Tippit etc., there was only a matter of seconds left for Callaway to help out, which is totally unrealistic.
Once this issue was resolved Callaway's testimony made sense, as did Markham's, Bowley's and Davenport's.
Benevides is quicker on the scene than I imagined but those seconds after the shooting must have seemed a lot longer than they actually were.

 

Despite what some might think, I always invite discussion (not telegram style propaganda) and, for the sake of honest debate,  I would love to hear Bill Brown's rebuttal to the time line I have presented.

Obviously it's not going to change anything after so many years, so why is it impossible to have a honest conversation with a die hard LN?

[Dan O'meara]

Just reading through the 1964 Nash article " The Other Witnesses" in which it states:

"Butler radioed his arrival at the scene at 1:18 p.m., within 60 seconds of leaving the funeral home. He remembers that there were at least 10 people standing around the man lying on the ground. It was not until he and his assistant pulled back a blanket covering Tippit that they realized the victim was a policeman.
    Butler ran back to his radio to inform headquarters. The radio was busy and he could not cut in. He yelled “Mayday” to no avail, and went back to Tippit."

This is surely a reference to the part on the tapes when 602 is trying to call in but is cut across by Callaway's call.
This appears to confirm that Callaway was in Tippit's car at the time the ambulance arrived, Butler discovers the victim is a police officer then tries to call in but Callaway is on the radio. It is after this Tippit is loaded into the ambulance.

[Dan O'meara]

It was not until he and his assistant pulled back a blanket covering Tippit that they realized the victim was a policeman.

Didn't know of this account -- I haven't seen a blanket mentioned anywhere else.

Who put it there?

None of the known witnesses seemed to have any trouble recognizing the body as a police officer.

Here's a link to the article.

http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/History/WC_Period/Reactions_to_Warren_Report/Support_from_center/The_other_witnesses--Nashes.html

[Martin Weidmann]

And...Croy was in uniform...

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you in uniform?
Mr. CROY. In uniform.

He must have been close to see Tippit being loaded and Bowley, who already made a call, was there.

Makes no sense Callaway would THEN get on the radio to report a shooting.

Bill Brown's wet dream.

Good observation. I missed that....

And there is more. On 02/25/64 Callaway was interviewed by FBI agent Arthur Carter. In his FD 302 report he writes: 

.......he [Callaway] observed that TIPPIT had been shot in the temple. He said TIPPIT was lying on his pistol and he, CALLAWAY, took the pistol and put it on the hood of TiPPIT's patrol car. Then he got in the patrol car and used the police radio to contact the Dallas Police Department, who advised they were aware that the police officer [TIPPIT] had been shot. He said the dispatcher told him to get off the air. About that time an ambulance came up and CALLAWAY said he and an unidentified citizen helped the ambulance driver put the officer (TIPPIT) in the ambulance.


It blows Brown's silly theory right out of the water, that's for sure, and it makes this exchange, in which Brown claims it is a fact, laughable;

You are aware that Callaway helped load the body into the ambulance BEFORE making his call on the patrol car radio.  Right?  There's your "coffee break".

And you want to debate this stuff live?  Really?

Translation for "coffee break":  Martin was unaware that Callaway helped load the body into the ambulance BEFORE reporting the shooting on the patrol car radio to the police dispatcher.

Martin "wasn't aware" that Callaway helped load Tippit's body into the ambulance before he made his radio call because it never happened. You made it up to score a point. There is not a shred of evidence for it and it doesn't make sense.

The time has long passed that I would accept something at face value because Bill Brown said so.

A fact is still a fact whether you've accepted it or not. Callaway helped load the body and THEN, as the ambulance pulled away, got on the radio to report the incident.  Just a simple act of helping load the body into the ambulance, no "coffee break" required. Like I said before, I don't expect you to know these things.  No biggie.

"And you want to debate this stuff live?  Really?" - Bill Brown   

[Bill Brown]

You guys are incorrect. Callaway helped load the body into the ambulance before he got on the patrol car radio. The order of events on the police tapes tell you this.