Jim Leavelle sees Ruby's gun !

[John Tonkovich]

Your comment is not really relevant. The subject is: "Jim Leavelle sees Ruby's gun !"

The photograph taken by Jack Beers was taken a fraction of a second before Ruby fired his revolver. It proves that Detective Jim Leavelle did not see Jack Ruby's gun BEFORE he fired the shot that struck Lee Oswald. The statements by Detective Leavelle--made publicly over the years--were not accurate. Specifically his persistent claim to have observed Ruby holding the revolver at his side before he shot Lee Oswald.

Agreed.
Long ago.
Thanks.

Just wondered what the other( "honest ") police officer had to say?
He's like the "other thief" at the Crucifixion; no further mention in any other Gospels.

[Ross Lidell]

Agreed.
Long ago.
Thanks.

Just wondered what the other( "honest ") police officer had to say?
He's like the "other thief" at the Crucifixion; no further mention in any other Gospels.

The other detective is L.C. Graves. He was not handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald, so his part in the transfer of the alleged assassin from the City jail  to the County jail was less significant. Grave's face is obscured by the back of Jack Ruby's head in the Bob Jackson photo that captures the shooting--including Oswald's agony as the bullet penetrates his abdomen. I'd like to know what sort of expression was on Grave's face.

Your allusions to the Christian religion are interesting. A believer?

[John Tonkovich]

The other detective is L.C. Graves. He was not handcuffed to Lee Harvey Oswald, so his part in the transfer of the alleged assassin from the City jail  to the Count jail was less significant. Grave's face is obscured by the back of Jack Ruby's head in the Bob Jackson photo that captures the shooting--including Oswald's agony as the bullet penetrates his abdomen. I'd like to know what sort of expression was on Grave's face.

Your allusions to the Christian religion are interesting. A believer?

A believer? In Christianity? Uh, one needn't be a "believer" to make a simile. Or was it a metaphor? An allegory?
But I digress.
To the topic: Leavelle is insignificant. Only his "man in white" persona, complete with "white hat" - and his reaction- made him make the news. Handcuffs mean nothing.

Beers' photo, and L.C. Graves - that's a topic . Of significance. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere.

Who was that "other" thief, anyway?
Questions, questions. I might be a Jesuit. Why? 

[Ross Lidell]

A believer? In Christianity? Uh, one needn't be a "believer" to make a simile. Or was it a metaphor? An allegory?
But I digress.
To the topic: Leavelle is insignificant. Only his "man in white" persona, complete with "white hat" - and his reaction- made him make the news. Handcuffs mean nothing.

Beers' photo, and L.C. Graves - that's a topic . Of significance. I'm sure there's a thread somewhere.

Who was that "other" thief, anyway?
Questions, questions. I might be a Jesuit. Why? 

Handcuffs mean nothing.

Leavelle was "tethered" to Lee Oswald: that's something.

Those monochrome pictures are deceiving. Was it a white hat? Leavelle's shirt is white and appears a much lighter shade than the Stetson. Could be a very light-tan colored hat?

The thieves were named Gestas and Dismas.

[John Tonkovich]

Handcuffs mean nothing.

Leavelle was "tethered" to Lee Oswald: that's something.

Those monochrome pictures are deceiving. Was it a white hat? Leavelle's shirt is white and appears a much lighter shade than the Stetson. Could be a very light-tan colored hat?

The thieves were named Gestas and Dismas.

I'm sure they were. In which of the "Gospels" do we learn this? From which Holy Bible? Gee, I didn't start out trying to draw a parallel, but if the sandal, Eisenhower jacket, cross etc. fits,..
But I digress.
It doesn't matter what color Leavelle's clothes really were. ( or that he was tethered)
It's the image, the perception. I did say "man in white" persona.

Odd, that you focused on the "visible" agony of Oswald in the second (later) photo.
As if he were being...   that darn parallel thing again.

L.C. was in position to stop Ruby. 57 years later, the faithful discuss ..Leavelle.
Sad. But I won't Baal about it.

[Ross Lidell]

I'm sure they were. In which of the "Gospels" do we learn this? From which Holy Bible? Gee, I didn't start out trying to draw a parallel, but if the sandal, Eisenhower jacket, cross etc. fits,..
But I digress.
It doesn't matter what color Leavelle's clothes really were. ( or that he was tethered)
It's the image, the perception. I did say "man in white" persona.

Odd, that you focused on the "visible" agony of Oswald in the second (later) photo.
As if he were being...   that darn parallel thing again.

L.C. was in position to stop Ruby. 57 years later, the faithful discuss ..Leavelle.
Sad. But I won't Baal about it.

Quit the immaterial intellectualizing!

Detective L.C. Graves was in a physical position to block Jack Ruby from shooting Lee Oswald. However, he was looking forward to his destination not towards the journalists, police officers and Jack Ruby--to his left.

Jack Ruby's lunge towards Oswald (to be in "shooting range") occurred so quickly: L.C. Graves did not notice the assassin's assassin about to assassinate the assassin.

[John Tonkovich]

Quit the immaterial intellectualizing!

Detective L.C. Graves was in a physical position to block Jack Ruby from shooting Lee Oswald. However, he was looking forward to his destination not towards the journalists, police officers and Jack Ruby--to his left.

Jack Ruby's lunge towards Oswald (to be in "shooting range") occurred so quickly: L.C. Graves did not notice the assassin's assassin about to assassinate the assassin.

Fair enough.