Autopsy proves SBT impossible

[Zeon Mason]

WTF could possibly the shooter be aiming at with his 1st shot to have completely missed the ENTIRE LIMO?? and at the closest range of only 53 meters away?


This the range MOST of the CBS shooters were able to hit the target in the test trial.


Yet the "expert" sniper for some reason wasnt even aiming at the limo at all and that bullet has never been found.

[Andrew Mason]

WTF could possibly the shooter be aiming at with his 1st shot to have completely missed the ENTIRE LIMO?? and at the closest range of only 53 meters away?

Good question. 

There is no evidence that any shot missed. In fact, there is evidence that each of the shots hit.  There are at least 70 witnesses who provided evidence that the first shot struck JFK (they said either that JFK reacted to his neck wound on the first shot or that the last two shots occurred after JFK is seen reacting to his neck wound in the zfilm).  Not a single witness said he smiled and waved after the first shot (which is what the SBT says happened).  Gov. Connally, supported by a number of witnesses close-by, gave evidence that he was hit in the torso by the second shot.  We can see the effect of the third shot.

Not only is it difficult to understand how the sniper could have missed the entire limo at 160-175 feet, but it is difficult to understand how the bullet could have failed to leave a mark anywhere in Dealey Plaza. It is even more difficult to understand how a missed shot could have given so many people the impression that it struck JFK.

[Jack Nessan]

Except that he reported one shot and then two more, which suggests a 1 and 2-3 grouping which excludes the second shot SBT.
?? That seems to be 4 shots.  In his Dec. 17/63 FBI statement he said that he saw dust spray on the pavement on the driver's side of the limo and then "a few seconds" later heard 3 shots.
No. He is an "at least two shots" witness. Read his statement.
Walters is guessing.  The curb smear was analyzed and no copper was found, just lead and antimony. That indicates that the curb was struck by a lead fragment.

You completely and utterly missed the whole point so you could advance this odd unsupported belief in an imaginary shot at Z270. Each of these people are stating that two shots caused all the wounds to the people riding in the car.


Where does Betzner mention a third shot. He doesn't. He mentions a second shot and what happens in the car.

[Andrew Mason]

You completely and utterly missed the whole point so you could advance this odd unsupported belief in an imaginary shot at Z270.

What is imaginary about 45+ people saying there were 3 shots and the last two were closer together?  What is imaginary about Hickey saying he was facing JFK on the second shot and kept facing him?  He  is turned rearward in Altgens' photo at z256.  What is imaginary of about Greer saying he turned around to look behind immediately after the second shot and we see him turning from z278 or so to z280? That is evidence of a second shot between z256 and z278. Hickey said JFK's hair on his right side flew up on the second shot.  His hair flies up from z273-276.

Each of these people are stating that two shots caused all the wounds to the people riding in the car.

Where does Betzner mention a third shot. He doesn't. He mentions a second shot and what happens in the car.

He says that there were at least two shots.  That means he is not sure how many but there were a minimum of 2.  That is not evidence that there were only two shots.  None of these four witnesses went so far to say which shots struck and what they struck.

[Jack Trojan]

WTF could possibly the shooter be aiming at with his 1st shot to have completely missed the ENTIRE LIMO?? and at the closest range of only 53 meters away?


This the range MOST of the CBS shooters were able to hit the target in the test trial.


Yet the "expert" sniper for some reason wasnt even aiming at the limo at all and that bullet has never been found.

The LNers contend that Oswald lined up JFK thru his wonky scope and missed the entire limo with his 1st shot. Realizing his scope was grossly misaligned, he switched to the iron sights and scored a 2 for 2 in 5 secs flat. But if he was such an expert marksman then he would have known the scope would be useless since he had obviously never fired the rifle before, otherwise, he would have surely zeroed the scope during practice sessions.

Ask yourself why Oswald didn't take the 1st shot when the limo almost stopped turning onto Elm? JFK was delivered to him on a silver platter. How could he miss a stationary target at ~40 feet? And why did the FBI edit the turn onto Elm out of the Z film? And where is the original Z film? It would tell all.

[Jack Nessan]

What is imaginary about 45+ people saying there were 3 shots and the last two were closer together?  What is imaginary about Hickey saying he was facing JFK on the second shot and kept facing him?  He  is turned rearward in Altgens' photo at z256.  What is imaginary of about Greer saying he turned around to look behind immediately after the second shot and we see him turning from z278 or so to z280? That is evidence of a second shot between z256 and z278. Hickey said JFK's hair on his right side flew up on the second shot.  His hair flies up from z273-276.
He says that there were at least two shots.  That means he is not sure how many but there were a minimum of 2.  That is not evidence that there were only two shots.  None of these four witnesses went so far to say which shots struck and what they struck.

These witnesses don't state anything like what you have stated they said. These are their statements from 11/22.

Samuel A. Kinney  11/22
Special Agent
White House Detail

I was driving SS 679-X, follow-up. As we turned off Main Street (left) about 4 minutes from our destination of Trade Mart. The first shot was fired as we were going into an underpass. The first shot was fired, I glanced from the taillight of SS 100-X, at the President and it appeared that he had been shot because he slumped to the left. Immediately he sat up again.* At this time the second shot was fired and I observed hair flying from the right side of his head. With this, simultaneously with the President's car, we stepped on the gas. I released the siren at that time. I did hear three shots but do not recall which shots were those that hit the President.

Kinney identifies shot 1 and shot 2


George Hickey: 11/22
Just prior to the shooting I was seated in the rear of SS-6',9-X on the left side. As 100-X made the turn and proceeded a short-distance I heard what seemed to me that a firecracker exploded to the right and rear. I stood partially up and turned to the rear to see if I could observe anything. Nothing was observed and I turned around and looked at the President's car. The President was slumped to the left in the car and I observed him come up. I heard what appeared to be two shots and it seemed as if the right side of his head was hit and his hair flew forward. I then reached down, picked up the AR 15, cocked and loaded it- and stood part way up in the car and looked about. By this time, 100-X had 679-X had passed under the overpass and was proceeding at a high rate of speed towards the hospital.


JFK's hair flew forward from the impact of the bullet




WILLIAM R. GREER'S REPORT ON
DALLAS, TEXAS

......A short distance ahead, the street passed under a railroad or expressway. A building stood on the right side of the street, that would have been the last building we would have had to pass before entering the underpass.

The President's automobile was almost past this building and I was looking at the overpass that we were about to pass under in case someone was on top of it, when I heard what I thought was the backfire of a motorcycle behind the President's automobile. After the second shot, I glanced over my right shoulder and saw Governor Connally start to fall, I knew then that something was wrong and I immediately pushed the accelerator to the floor and Mr. Kellerman said, get out of here.

Greer said he heard two shots and then he sped away. Matches Kellerman's description stating "get out of here" after the headshot. Greer accelerates after the headshot, just like the Zapruder film showed. Greer said there was two shots to that point, Kellerman said three.


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I don't see it, point out where Betzner states there is a third shot.

No, Skelton, Miller, and Walters identify every shot. They are specific as to where the shots landed. They leave two shots hitting the occupants of the car.

[Gary Craig]

Mr. SPECTER. As you are positioning yourself in the witness chair, your right hand is up with the finger at the ear level as if clutching from the right of the head; would that be an accurate description of the position you pictured there?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes. Good. There was enough for me to verify that the man was hit. So, in the same motion I come right back and grabbed the speaker and said to the driver, "Let's get out of here; we are hit," and grabbed the mike and I said, "Lawson, this is Kellerman,"--this is Lawson, who is in the front car. "We are hit; get us to the hospital immediately." Now, in the seconds that I talked just now, a flurry of shells come into the car. I then looked back and this time Mr. Hill, who was riding on the left front bumper of our followup car, was on the back trunk of that car; the President was sideways down into. the back seat.

~snip~

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.
Mr. SPECTER. Are you able to say how many you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say two, and it was like a double bang--bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. You mean now two shots in addition to the first noise?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir; yes, sir; at least.
Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the time, in seconds, from the first noise sounding like a firecracker until the second noise which you heard?
Mr. KELLERMAN. This was instantaneous

~snip~

Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the sound of the flurry of shots by way of distinction with the way you have described the sound of the first shot?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Well, having heard all types of guns fired, most of them, rather, if I recall correctly these were two sharp reports, sir. Again, I am going to refer to it as like a plane going through a sound barrier; bang, bang.
Mr. SPECTER. Now, you are referring to the flurry?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right.
Mr. SPECTER. Did it sound differently from the first noise you have described as being a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; definitely; very much so.

~snip~

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, you said earlier that there were at least two additional shots. Is there any area in your mind or possibility, as you recollect that situation, that there could have been more than two shots, or are you able to say with any certainty?
Mr. KELLERMAN. I am going to say that I have, from the firecracker report and the two other shots that I know, those were three shots. But, Mr. Specter, if President Kennedy had from all reports four wounds, Governor Connally three, there have got to be more than three shots, gentlemen.
Senator COOPER. What is that answer? What did he say?
Mr. SPECTER. Will you repeat that, Mr. Kellerman?
Mr. KELLERMAN.President Kennedy had four wounds, two in the head and shoulder and the neck. Governor Connally, from our reports, had three. There have got to be more than three shots.
Representative FORD. Is that why you have described--
Mr. KELLERMAN. The flurry.
Representative FORD. The noise as a flurry?