Autopsy proves SBT impossible

[Jim Brunsman]

No, there is no evidence to support a conclusion that the throat wound was an exit. For me, the clothing is slightly relevant, but I have no idea how bullets behave when striking cloth. I'm interested in the evidence that was collected BEFORE the ridiculous SBT was concocted. What about the sworn testimony of highly trained and experienced Parkland hospital doctors and nurses? Not one of these witnesses EVER reported the throat wound as an exit. Sure, Specter twisted and bullied several witnesses to change their opinions, but that doesn't change the basic facts. In addition, all of these witnesses reported the head wound to be in the back of the head, which proves the autopsy photos are a fraud.

Where did the bullet go that penetrated a distance so small that Dr. Humes could feel the end of it with his finger? I have no idea, but there are reports of bullets and fragments in this case that make no sense at all. What about the lead that Dennis David was ordered to catalog during the autopsy? The truth is simple. If one person was doing the shooting, everything would come together. But the reality is completely different. There are so many inconsistencies in the evidence, that you could spend a lifetime investigating them.

[Andrew Mason]

So you're building your case solely on witness accounts. That seems to be a little bit moot, doesn't it?

Moot? How?

If you can provide evidence to explain how all witnesses missed seeing JFK smile and wave after the first shot, let alone for three seconds after the first shot please feel free. Then you would have to explain how 20+ observed him react as if he was hit in the neck on the first shot. That would merely be a start. You would ten have to explain Croft, Betzner, Hughes, Altgens, Greer, Hickey all making consistent observations that excude the second shot SBT. Then you would have to explain the shot pattern evidence.  And the explain Tague being hit on the second shot. Oh, and if you think you can do that, try explaining why the motorcade witnesses put the VP car completing the turn before the first shot. And then explain why the occupants.of the VP security car thought the had almost completed the turn? Why did Mrs Cabell think her car had entered the Intersection. Etc.

An individual witness can be wrong. But if multiple independent witnesses report consistent observations, on what basis can that evidence be disregarded? . 

And where is the missing bullet?

There is no missing bullet. They all struck JFK and/or JBC. The first is CE399. The second fragmented and deflected up off the radius and sent metal flakes into the wrist. Other fragments hit the windshield, windshield frame and at least one left the car and struck the curb near Tague. Likely others cleared the windshield. The third was obvious

[Mike Orr]

        David W. Mantik, MD., Ph. D.
     The JFK Autopsy Materials ,Twenty Conclusions after Nine Visits

      This site was very good and also had many diagrams which were very helpful .

       assassinationresearch.com/v2n2/Pittsburgh.pdf

[Andrew Mason]

The list of eyewitnesses who stated there was only two shots is a long one.

Well, maybe if you use a large font and triple spacing. There were 17 witnesses who said they heard 2 shots. None of them were sure that there were only two.  On the other hand there were at least 132 who heard three shots and most were pretty definite about that.  Here is what the distribution looks like.

[Andrew Mason]

Andrew Mason is also a big believer in an imaginary shot. You two should get together and solve the mystery of where that shot took place because there is absolutely no proof that it ever happened and the WC was never sure it happened.

Imaginary shot? It is not correct to say that there is no evidence of a third shot, if that is your point. 

In addition to 130+ witnesses who heard exactly three shots, there are many witnesses who felt or saw the effects of each of the three shots. There are witnesses who were able to say where the President was, or describe the position of their car in the motorcade, at the time of the first shot.  There are witnesses, like Hickey and Kinney, who described where they were looking and what they saw at the time of the second shot. There is Tague who said he felt the effect of the second shot.  There is Greer who said he turned around immediately after the second shot (he turns around between z278-280). 

[Andrew Mason]

As I see it:

As far as the witnesses are concerned. The media had a severe influence on the witnesses and is noted by both the WC and the HSCA and can be seen in their evolving statements. The earliest statements in a lot of cases are made by the eyewitnesses to the media themselves. There is a big difference between the statements of the eyewitnesses and the earwitnesses. In general two shots by the eyewitnesses vs three shots by the earwitnesses. The eyewitnesses explain the location of the limousine and the number of shots and the reaction that was taking place in the car.

A classic example of ignoring evidence because it doesn't fit a preferred theory. 

There is limited physical evidence. Bullet, bullet fragments, shells, and rifle. Each provide a clue as to the answer. The cycle time of the carcano provides a parameter to the assassination based on  2.3 second cycle time. The only scenario that explains wounding JBC with a separate shot is a conspiracy and a second shooter.

??This is because you have convinced yourself that JBC has been shot by z240: you think he looks like he is reacting to being shot in the chest before z240.  But according to the evidence there was only one shot to that point. So what you are really saying is: "If I ignore the evidence and go with what I think I am seeing in the zfilm, if JBC's chest wounds were caused by a separate shot, there must have been a second shooter". 

Three shots by LHO in 5.4 seconds is a stretch, two shots at a distance of 55 yards and 88 yards is no feat of marksmanship. Three shots would require an even shot spacing not a bunched two shots at the end.

How about 3 shots in 6.4 seconds: z195, z271, z313.  That is what the evidence shows.

SBT with a jacketed bullet is common sense. That is exactly what the bullet is designed to do. The bullet will go until it runs out of energy. JBC was in front of JFK and the only way to explain the wound in his back is the bullet must pass through JFK first.

Common sense reasoning applied to the evidence is a good idea. You are forgetting the evidence part.

[Gary Craig]