Was Oswald denied Counsel by the Dallas Authorities ?

[John Iacoletti]

Olds never asked to see Oswald. Not only that but he wasn't even a lawyer.

He was a representative of the ACLU, who Oswald specifically invoked.  But they still lied when they told Olds that Oswald hadn't requested an attorney.  I think they didn't want him to have an attorney while they questioned him and certainly not someone from the ACLU.

[Richard Smith]

So you keep claiming.

If you ever figure out what that is, please let me know.

I don't understand the obsession or value of asking me to recite the case against Oswald. As though it not known to you and we haven't discussed it a thousand times.  It is well documented and you are aware of the evidence.  You reject it.  Do you really think we would advance this discussion by my noting Oswald's rifle was found at the crime scene and you responding "Oswald's rifle?  LOL."  How many times would you like do go around and around on those topics?  The case against Oswald has been laid out in excruciating detail.  Likely the most investigated case in criminal history.   The relevant point here is that EVEN if Oswald's legal rights were violated 50 plus year ago by denying him counsel, it makes no difference now.  And in fact, our knowledge of the case is enhanced by having access to his responses in the interrogation.  The more information the better for us.  Oswald's legal rights are relevant only to him in a trial.  And we know there will never be one.  So it is largely pointless to answer even if there were a way to resolve the issue. 

[John Iacoletti]

I don't understand the obsession or value of asking me to recite the case against Oswald. As though it not known to you and we haven't discussed it a thousand times.

I can't recall a time when you ever discussed the evidence in detail.  You just claim that there is a mountain of it and that there is no doubt.

It's because I'm familiar with the evidence that I know this is a big bluff.  You present unsubstantiated conclusions about the evidence as if it is evidence itself.  And you refuse to examine or even acknowledge the issues that make the so-called evidence either questionable, tainted, or irrelevant.  You just parrot things like "Oswald's rifle" without even attempting to show what this declaration is based on.  Because if you tried it would crumble instantly.

And that is why you won't engage in a discussion about any of the evidence.  You think posturing, strawmen, and insults will somehow prove your case.

The relevant point here is that EVEN if Oswald's legal rights were violated 50 plus year ago by denying him counsel, it makes no difference now.

Of course it makes a difference how Oswald was treated.  It shows that the police didn't give a whit about how this case was investigated.  Even if he was actually guilty of the crime, they still railroaded him.

  And in fact, our knowledge of the case is enhanced by having access to his responses in the interrogation.  The more information the better for us.

No we don't.  We have access to conflicting and biased recollections of what he said during interrogation.  Just one of many issues with your "evidence".

[James Dahl]

Police can hold someone without laying charges for a couple days.  I don't think Oswald was charged with any crime at the time he was killed, he was held as a suspect

[John Iacoletti]

Police can hold someone without laying charges for a couple days.  I don't think Oswald was charged with any crime at the time he was killed, he was held as a suspect

Yes he was.  He was charged for Tippit's murder at about 7 PM and JFK's murder at about 11:30 PM on 11/22.

[Tim Nickerson]

He was a representative of the ACLU, who Oswald specifically invoked.

So what?

But they still lied when they told Olds that Oswald hadn't requested an attorney.  I think they didn't want him to have an attorney while they questioned him and certainly not someone from the ACLU.

How do you know that they lied? We know that Oswald made an on-camera show for the public but did he actually make a request for an attorney to the DPD? If so, how do you know?

[John Iacoletti]

So what?

How do you know that they lied? We know that Oswald made an on-camera show for the public but did he actually make a request for an attorney to the DPD? If so, how do you know?

Why do you think his "on camera show" as you put it was not a request to the DPD?  According to Gerald Hill, who was a DPD officer, Oswald asked for a lawyer when they were still in the theater.  And according to one of your star witnesses, William Whaley, he also asked for a lawyer during his lineup.  Is this somehow also not supposed to be a "real request" either?  What makes it a real request in your mind?  Oswald was held incommunicado until Saturday around noon.