Prayer Woman

[Thomas Graves]

Ray - Tom Graves recently revealed on a post his Despise List. It was taken down by the admin because it also included some other stuff in it and whoever reported it, the post was removed and Graves was suspended here for a while.

The reason why I'm bringing this up is because when folks on this board say Oswald did it all by himself, they're pretty much Kennedy haters. Graves is one of them based on what he revealed. Therefore, you're never going to get incisive and objective analysis from the likes of Graves and others. Put another way, it's like a police detective who has a hatred of prostitutes - and when one is found dead on the street, the detective's work trying to solve her crime is clouded by, "Nahh, she deserved it..." or whatever other bias this cop would have toward her.

The same with the Kennedy case. So it's fruitless to keep arguing this over and over again because hate is very, very strong emotion. We simply can't expect a hater to become all Grinch like, see the light, and open his mind to fair analysis on this case.

NOTE - I know this is probably an unpopular thing to discuss or bring up here but it really does make a difference in how someone perceives the merits of the JFK case.

Walton,

As regards the JFK assassination, WTF is wrong with my despising "researchers" and wannabe pundits (such as yourself) whom I consider to be witting or unwitting purveyors of Ruskie active measures (since 1921) and strategic deceptions (since 1959)-based propaganda?

Should I love you (plural), instead?

Show you compassion (that's what you want, isn't it -- that and respect?)?

Accept your mistake-laden arguments, theories, and self-righteous, oh-so-indignant pronouncements?

(Dramatic pause ...)

(Sigh ...)

Yeah, I guess you're right, Michael.

I no longer despise you and your ilk.

Now I'm just weeping for all of the brainwashed-by-KGB-via-Rush-and-Alex Trump supporters out there.

-- MWT 

PS  Carry on, Michael Walton. Commissar James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio and his deputies have great hopes for you!

PPS  Yes, I've already read State Secret. Have you read Spy Wars and Chapter 10 of Wedge, yet? Get back to me when you have.

PPPS Here's a mouth-watering morsel for you: I now believe Bagley's "help" in interviewing Nosenko in Geneva in 1962, "expert handler" George Kisevalter, was a mole may have been a mole. He was King Midas In Reverse in that all the gold he touched turned to you-know what.

Popov, Penkovsky.  And the clincher: He adamantly asserted until the end that Yuri Nosenko was a true defector!

LOL

[Zeon Mason]

 At the time that the JFK motorcade entered Dealey Plaza, Oswald may have been "in the building"

At the time  the JFK motorcade approached towards TSBD, Oswald may have been "in the lobby"of the building"

At the time the JFK limo turned onto Elm st, Oswald may have just  opened the front door slightly inwardly, and sliped out to catch a glimpse, and stood at the west side of the entrance landing. Oswald was just an insignifcant newly hired employee that nobody noticed, or cared about, other than perhaps BW.Frazier.

Did Oswald misinterpret  what the phrase "at the time" meant? 

What about the other opportunities Oswald had to declare "I was out front"? The Midnight Conference. Oswald speaks to his brother. Oswald speaks with Marina. No mention by Oswald, of his "out front with Shelly"  or "out front watching the parade".

It is  a question of Oswalds state of mind. Was he overconfident? If Oswald is prayer person, then he knew he had an ironclad alibi, but if he  were also in a state of mind as the WC theory suggests, of "delusions of grandeur" then it is possible Oswald thought he could take advantage of his "wrongful arrest" to secure fame and monetary settlement. If so, then he miscalculated he had "time" to play this out.

[Richard Smith]

Ray - Tom Graves recently revealed on a post his Despise List. It was taken down by the admin because it also included some other stuff in it and whoever reported it, the post was removed and Graves was suspended here for a while.

The reason why I'm bringing this up is because when folks on this board say Oswald did it all by himself, they're pretty much Kennedy haters. Graves is one of them based on what he revealed. Therefore, you're never going to get incisive and objective analysis from the likes of Graves and others. Put another way, it's like a police detective who has a hatred of prostitutes - and when one is found dead on the street, the detective's work trying to solve her crime is clouded by, "Nahh, she deserved it..." or whatever other bias this cop would have toward her.

The same with the Kennedy case. So it's fruitless to keep arguing this over and over again because hate is very, very strong emotion. We simply can't expect a hater to become all Grinch like, see the light, and open his mind to fair analysis on this case.

NOTE - I know this is probably an unpopular thing to discuss or bring up here but it really does make a difference in how someone perceives the merits of the JFK case.

I'm not aware of many LNers being JFK "haters" (whatever that means).  More importantly your rationale is faulty even if that false premise were true.  How exactly is the cause of "hating" JFK advanced by concluding that Oswald was the lone assassin?  There is no correlation between those two concepts.  What difference would it make to a JFK "hater" whether he was murdered by Oswald or a conspiracy?  He is dead either way.   It is the evidence that dictates the conclusion.  If there was credible evidence of a conspiracy - as in the assassination of Lincoln - then that is what LNers would accept.   

[Bill Chapman]

Yeah...."Oswald was a l-i-a-r....except when he wasn't".

Oswald: I'm innocent
Iacoletti:: Okay, you can go
Oswald: [SMIRK]

[Barry Pollard]

And now, some 55+ years later, there is still not any eyewitness testimony/statement placing LeeHarveyOswald on the TSBD Bldg Elm St Entrance Landing at 12:30pm CST on 11/22/'63, and/or at the time of the Assassination of JFK Sr and Wounding of JBC Jr. And, among potential eyewitnesses were many co-workers, including BuellWesleyFrazier that LHO rode to work with that very morning, who would have recognized the soon to be, arguably, the most famous accused LoneGunmanAssassin of all time.

We have witnesses claiming there were shots from the knoll Larry but in the end it don't mean nothing because it doesn't prove nothing.
If witnesses really meant something to you which I highly doubt, you wouldn't be wasting your time here, there's a hole in the back of his head the size according to more than one witness and that's all you need apparently... right?
Takes 25yrs for Frazier to tell us he saw LHO walking along Houston and suddenly it's a hard fact to some people in this lil' world of ours.  I just don't get it.  Like you'd change your mind if one was found, or a relative of one who claimed "they told me he/she saw him there", it's ridiculous.

"I didn't shoot nobody", remember?  There's your "witness" right there.

[Barry Pollard]

There is another frame that provides an alternative take on the Weigman PM and it's a careful and focused enhancement.  Unlike the freak that came about by complete accident.  One big clue for the layman is the big "forehead" coming out of PM's skull in the frame you like, it's actually longer than Herman Munster's(no joke, it really is).

[Barry Pollard]

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The technique was the same for both frames but we have two very different looking faces/heads, so will you at least recognise "the other woman" to begin with Brian?  Perhaps someone can isolate "her from the gif for us(or I could try later)?