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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1448 on: March 03, 2019, 01:09:03 AM »
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One thing is for sure-----------

By the time Agent Bookhout gets to dictate his solo report after Mr Oswald's death, it will have become safe to include in an interrogation report the name of 'KP. Shelly, William'.



Though the spelling of his name will still be causing a problem!

Mr Oswald did mention Mr Shelley's name in that first interrogation: he told Fritz he was standing beside him when the P. Parade went past the building.

Once the lunchroom story had moved Mr Oswald away from the front entrance for the P. Parade, 'KP. Shelly, William' became the man Mr Oswald claimed to have stood beside several minutes after the parade!

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« Reply #1448 on: March 03, 2019, 01:09:03 AM »


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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1449 on: March 03, 2019, 01:16:02 AM »

Mr Oswald did mention Mr Shelley's name in that first interrogation: he told Fritz he was standing beside him when the P. Parade went past the building.

Once the lunchroom story had moved Mr Oswald away from the front entrance for the P. Parade, 'KP. Shelly, William' became the man Mr Oswald claimed to have stood beside several minutes after the parade!

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Friends, increase the brightness setting of your monitor, and look at
--------Mr Billy Lovelady
--------behind him: Mr Oswald
--------standing beside Mr Oswald: KP. Shelly, William.

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1450 on: March 03, 2019, 10:52:22 AM »
[...]  Now let's assume for the sake of argument that Calvery's son really did correctly identify Calvery in Betzner-3 [...].  How are you certain that tall [black headscarf-wearing] woman in Zapruder is the same person as [black headscarf and] glasses-[wearing] woman in Betzner-3?
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Iacoletti,

Look at the Z-film, Betzner-3, Willis-5, and Roberdeau's map -- on which he has John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly identified, but the dot to the immediate left of Templin mysteriously unlabeled -- and I'm sure than even you can, by simultaneously referring to at least two of those four sources at any given time and noting the relative positions of Templin, Brandt, the Tall & Black-Headscarf/"Glasses-Wearing" Woman, and the Woman In All-White standing two people to her left, and, by actually DOING some honest mental triangulations of said figures in all four sources (if you are so capable), ... wah-lah ... correctly "connect the dots" regarding the positional relationship of that "mysto" dot to all of those people and ... gasp ... DEDUCE ... that yes!, the Tall & Black-Headscarf-Wearing Woman in Zapruder really is the same person as your Tall & "Glasses-Wearing" (as YOU so adroitly and correctly noticed, upon enlargement, presumably) ... Woman in Betzner-3.

Unless you don't want to, of course.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1451 on: March 03, 2019, 02:47:33 PM »
The Alleged Woman's Face : Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only.
If you are viewing on a PC, stand well back from your computer screen.

Source Gif: Creator Unknown.


Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only 1:


Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only 2:

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1452 on: March 03, 2019, 03:27:24 PM »
The Alleged Woman's Face : Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only.
If you are viewing on a PC, stand well back from your computer screen.

Source Gif: Creator Unknown.


Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only 1:


Transition Enlargement - Brightness And Contrast Enhancement Only 2:


I have not followed this debate..... But as a casual observer, I can see that there is a young black man dressed in light khaki clothing standing next to the west side of the entrance to the TSBD.....    But in Altgen's #6 there is another man in that position ....  But everybody else seems to be in their same position in both photos.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1453 on: March 03, 2019, 03:31:05 PM »
Thank you for using the word 'alleged', Mr MacRae!  Thumb1:

Now! This is a curious gif indeed!



We start out with this---------



----------and end up with this:



What has happened?

Why, the unknown creator has looked at the first frame and decided only to contrast-and-brightness-'enhance' a selected area of the figure.

In other words, they have decapitated the poor figure
--------and reduced its head to its tophat:D



This is the reason why supporters of the 'woman's face' notion always reproduce the 'woman's face' cropped at the top of 'her' 'head'. Very bogus!

Here, on the other hand, is what one gets if one does not pre-judge the issue and instead treats the entire figure with good old-fashioned parity of esteem:



You want a bit more?



The 'woman's face' is in fact the figure's upper-chest/neck/jaw area! As is the case with the strong majority of human beings, Prayer Man has a head above his neck!

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1454 on: March 03, 2019, 03:51:55 PM »
     The problem with you guys messing around with the darkness, image enhancement, etc = You losing Focus on the White Rectangular Shape stretching across the heart area. That rectangle looks like it is an ID Patch attached to a dark colored Jacket which also has an attached Hoody. The Hoody is maybe 3/4 of the way over the top of the head exposing a Widows Crop. It looks to be a heavy military rag-tag jacket with an attached ID Patch of some kind across the heart. Many of the Vietnam Vets continued wearing these same jackets when home in the early 70's. That white rectangle in the heart region rules out our seeing a female. No female image captured that day has anything like that contrasting color and size suddenly stretching across the heart area. I believe the enhancements do make Lovelady look more like Lovelady. I wonder what the Black Guy leaning against the Pillar is looking at? He appears to be gazing in the direction of Pergola/railroad yard.   
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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1455 on: March 03, 2019, 03:54:50 PM »
The 'woman's face' is in fact the figure's upper-chest/neck/jaw area! As is the case with the strong majority of human beings, Prayer Man has a head above his neck!
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And most people don't have a neck like a Giraffe, which is what would be required for your proposition. 

Prayer Giraffe :D