Prayer Woman

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Is Alan a liar... everyone who posts in this thread seems to be one, except you?
If there was no testimonial record and it was 1989 instead of 2019, you might not seem as unhinged.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You are resisting mightily the roadblock of reality aka, common sense.
........

Why even believe what Oswald said, Albert?  I see you're busy getting banned in other places.  Better change them drawers!!!

[Alan Ford]

Mr. BALL ? We have got a picture taken the day of the parade and it shows the President?s car going by.
Now, take a look at that picture. Can you see your picture any place there?
Mr. FRAZIER ? No, sir; I don?t, because I was back up in this more or less black area here.
Mr. BALL ? I see.
Mr. FRAZIER ? Because Billy, like I say, is two or three steps down in front of me.
Mr. BALL ? Do you recognize this fellow?
Mr. FRAZIER ? That is Billy, that is Billy Lovelady.
Mr. BALL ? Billy?
Mr. FRAZIER ? Right
Mr. BALL ? Let?s take a marker and make an arrow down that way. That mark is Billy Lovelady?
Mr. FRAZIER ? Right.
Mr. BALL ? That is where you told us you were standing a moment ago.
Mr. FRAZIER ? Right.
Mr. BALL ? In front of you to the right over to the wall?
Mr. FRAZIER ? Yes.
?..
Mr. BALL ? That is written in. The arrow marks Billy Lovelady on Commission?s Exhibit No. 369?

Wrong issue, Mr Scully!

Prayer Man cannot be seen in the Altgens photograph, but he can be seen in the Wiegman film standing to Mr Lovelady's right! 

[Alan Ford]

         The part I find extremely puzzling in the Bookhout supplementary report of the 3:15 Oswald Interrogation/Claims, "Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the Police Officer thereafter LEFT THE ROOM AND CONTINUED THROUGH THE BUILDING". How could Oswald have Any knowledge as to where Officer Baker went after Baker exited the TSBD Lunch Room?

Yes, Mr Storing, it points up the contrived character of Mr Oswald's alleged claim!  (Compare Mrs Reid's brilliant recollection of a coke----a full coke, mind-----in Mr Oswald's hand.)

Another point of curiosity!:

If one were to read Mr Oswald's supposed words here in isolation----------

"Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the Police Officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building"

----------one would gain the distinct impression that Mr Truly had been present in the lunchroom with Mr Oswald all along, and that the police officer continued on his search alone.

What makes this so curious is its resonance with what Ms Pauline Sanders told the FBI on the Sunday:



Which would be a very odd error for Ms Sanders to make, given that she was out front and must surely have known that Mr Truly had been out front too and so could hardly have been inside lunching with Mr Oswald!

One assumes-------one must assume--------that the agent misunderstood Ms Sanders.

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However! I once saw it suggested on one of the forums that there was an Oswald-Officer incident in that lunchroom, but that it happened before the shooting and the officer was not Officer Baker. Mr Truly was in the lunchroom with Mr Oswald, who would have assumed this was part of a pre-parade security sweep of buildings in the area.

This is, I think, the only scenario by which Agent Bookhout's solo-written report-----

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employee?s lunch room

------could be anything other than a lie. "[A]t the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers" would mean the supposed pre-parade security sweep of the building. (Mr Oswald being lured into a false sense of security.)

All a little too complicated for my taste though!

A much cleaner solution:

1. Mr Oswald visited the 2nd fl lunchroom before the motorcade (seen there by Ms Arnold & Ms Stanton)
2. He went back down to the 1st floor and stood around eating lunch (noticing Messrs Jarman & Norman coming in by the back door on their way to the back elevator)
3. Hearing the excitement rise outside, he hurried down to the front entrance and stepped outside (seen by the film cameras of Messrs Hughes, Wiegman & Darnell)
4. After the shooting, an officer with pistol drawn (Baker) came charging into the building and asked him if he worked there (=looking for help finding the stairs)
5. Mr Truly came up, identified himself and offered to help the officer
6. Mr Oswald told all this to Captain Fritz
7. DPD told the press all about the incident at the front entrance
8. Once it became clear just how soon after the shooting this incident had happened, it was moved away from the front entrance and near to the back stairway (this happened Friday pm)
9. Mr Oswald's actual claims were rewritten------to ludicrous effect------so as to 'corroborate' the new lunchroom incident.

 

[Walt Cakebread]

Yes, Mr Storing, it points up the contrived character of Mr Oswald's alleged claim!  (Compare Mrs Reid's brilliant recollection of a coke----a full coke, mind-----in Mr Oswald's hand.)

Another point of curiosity!:

If one were to read Mr Oswald's supposed words here in isolation----------

"Mr Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the Police Officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building"

----------one would gain the distinct impression that Mr Truly had been present in the lunchroom with Mr Oswald all along, and that the police officer continued on his search alone.

What makes this so curious is its resonance with what Ms Pauline Sanders told the FBI on the Sunday:



Which would be a very odd error for Ms Sanders to make, given that she was out front and must surely have known that Mr Truly had been out front too and so could hardly have been inside lunching with Mr Oswald!

One assumes-------one must assume--------that the agent misunderstood Ms Sanders.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

However! I once saw it suggested on one of the forums that there was an Oswald-Officer incident in that lunchroom, but that it happened before the shooting and the officer was not Officer Baker. Mr Truly was in the lunchroom with Mr Oswald, who would have assumed this was part of a pre-parade security sweep of buildings in the area.

This is, I think, the only scenario by which Agent Bookhout's solo-written report-----

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employee?s lunch room

------could be anything other than a lie. "[A]t the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers" would mean the supposed pre-parade security sweep of the building. (Mr Oswald being lured into a false sense of security.)

All a little too complicated for my taste though!

A much cleaner solution:

1. Mr Oswald visited the 2nd fl lunchroom before the motorcade (seen there by Ms Arnold & Ms Stanton)
2. He went back down to the 1st floor and stood around eating lunch (noticing Messrs Jarman & Norman coming in by the back door on their way to the back elevator)
3. Hearing the excitement rise outside, he hurried down to the front entrance and stepped outside (seen by the film cameras of Messrs Hughes, Wiegman & Darnell)
4. After the shooting, an officer with pistol drawn (Baker) came charging into the building and asked him if he worked there (=looking for help finding the stairs)
5. Mr Truly came up, identified himself and offered to help the officer
6. Mr Oswald told all this to Captain Fritz
7. DPD told the press all about the incident at the front entrance
8. Once it became clear just how soon after the shooting this incident had happened, it was moved away from the front entrance and near to the back stairway (this happened Friday pm)
9. Mr Oswald's actual claims were rewritten------to ludicrous effect------so as to 'corroborate' the new lunchroom incident.

 

a pre-parade security sweep of buildings in the area.

This is, I think, the only scenario by which Agent Bookhout's solo-written report-----

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employee?s lunch room

There was no pre-parade sweep of the TSBD....  You know that Mr Ford.....  I had assumed that you were an intelligent and honest student of the case.....You are rapidly proving that you are not honest.

[Larry Trotter]

According to the linked to FBI Report, FBI SA JamesWillinghamBookhout (1914-2009) stated that during interrogation, LeeHarveyOswald said that during the TSBD building search by DPD Officers, he had just purchased a Coca-Cola when he had been encountered by a PoliceOfficer, and RoyTruly, on the second floor, and went downstairs after said encounter.

No need to take my word for it, as said statement can be easily found:

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0322a.htm

FBI Agent JamesWillinghamBookhout's WarrenCommissionTestimony:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm

[Walt Cakebread]

FBI Agent JamesWillinghamBookhout's WarrenCommissionTestimony:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm

At the time that Baker confronted Lee in the second floor lunchroom Lee had no idea what was happening.   When he was asked where he was when the police searched the building he assumed that's what was happening when Baker confronted him.   

[Royell Storing]

At the time that Baker confronted Lee in the second floor lunchroom Lee had no idea what was happening.   When he was asked where he was when the police searched the building he assumed that's what was happening when Baker confronted him.

    And How would You Know Oswald's frame of mind at that point in time?