Prayer Woman

[Barry Pollard]

Brian, I mentoned this a couple times and I don't remember you explaining it.
Let's say she was on the step with both feet, who? Anyone, on any step, She then puts one foot up.
Your telling us you could recognise a change in height, not just in Darnell or Wiegman but in any film or even if she was in the same room? Go put one leg up yourself before you expain it to me(no pun intended).

[Alan Ford]

I'm not sure that either he or Frazier has learnt what's happened yet but that would suggest a real relaxed state of mind especially on his part.
Q: "Were you in the bulding when you heard about the shooting?" A: "Naturally if I work in that building", so went back inside, upstairs and then learnt about it, as others did
Also, Here's Fritz in JFKII after just finding out "He's been to Russia... and lived there?!"

Or??

Realising a shooting has taken place, he goes back into the vestibule and enters the small storage room at building's front. He brought a rifle to work to sell to someone and left it in the storage room until after work. Now he's thinking, 'No... It couldn't be.' But yes, it could: the rifle's gone. He is just exiting the storage room, his mind spinning, when a motorcycle officer comes running into the vestibule and asks him 'Do you work here?' (Officer wants to be shown the way up to the roof.) Before LHO has time to answer, R.S.Truly steps up and says to the officer 'I am the building manager. Follow me.' Etc.

In custody, LHO doesn't want to admit to ownership of the rifle, so he gives Fritz the bare facts (front entrance, vestibule, officer) but leaves out the storage room part. Perhaps he is so anxious to hide the fact that he went back inside so as to check the storage room that he even hides the fact that he saw JFK pass and was on the front steps for the shooting. So he tells Fritz he was just about to reach the front door to see what had happened outside when the officer came in.

It doesn't even occur to him that anyone might think he fired the actual shots..

Far fetched?

1. Harry D. Holmes testimony:

Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting?
Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule.
Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule?
Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part.
Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor?
Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor.

2. This:

[Jerry Freeman]

In regards to my post #1119

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,562.msg21555.html#msg21555

I found those clips posted on another link by Duncan MacRae.
I believe this is Prayer Woman.
I used to think it might be Oswald.

However I posted a frame that I believe is Oswald but there was no response to it.
...the guy in the bottom right with his back to the camera-
 

 
 

[Alan Ford]

In regards to my post #1119

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,562.msg21555.html#msg21555

I found those clips posted on another link by Duncan MacRae.
I believe this is Prayer Woman.
I used to think it might be Oswald.

Which of the female TSBD employees known to have been on the front steps at the time of the assassination do you believe this might be? Unless you or someone else can come up with a viable name, she's not 'Prayer Woman'.

(Hint: she's not 'Prayer Woman'!)

[Barry Pollard]

It IS an arm, but it belongs not to Lovelady but to a spectator in the street who has their hand raised!

Why does this matter? Because 'Lovelady's left arm' in Altgens is----------IRONICALLY-----------what makes everyone think they're seeing the signature plaid of his red shirt!

------------------Lovelady IS wearing his red plaid shirt
------------------BUT! It's more complicated than that!

I think we would actually see the hand on the end of that arm Alan, can you "manipulate" it a bit?
I get your point about the jacket and just over one shoulder, in a way it fits nicely but again no sign of it anywhere else and I'll say it again, I'm confident it's not shadow, that's why it works as an option for me but I'm sceptica about itl.

I noticed elsewhere in the past people having real problems with Lovelady's "arm" and I must have found it interesting at the time becasue I read quite a bit of it.
 

[Barry Pollard]

However I posted a frame that I believe is Oswald but there was no response to it.
...the guy in the bottom right with his back to the camera-
 

 

I responded Jerry, go check me out.

[Alan Ford]

I think we would actually see the hand on the end of that arm Alan, can you "manipulate" it a bit?

Here's the hand, Barry. It belongs to a black spectator.

I noticed elsewhere in the past people having real problems with Lovelady's "arm" and I must have found it interesting at the time becasue I read quite a bit of it.

Lovelady's 'arm' was one of the reasons the photo alteration mania over Altgens gripped so many people. It really does look wrong----in fact it's an impossible arm-----but this has NOTHING to do with photo alteration! Just a case of misinterpretation of image.


Re. Lovelady's posited half-worn Jacket: if this is what Wiegman is showing us, then once Lovelady leaves the steps (assuming that's what he does), he will simply start carrying the jacket instead of having it hung from his his shoulder!

BY THE SAME TOKEN (and I trust you hear the pain in my voice as I type these words!), I must reopen the possibility that this is Lovelady---------but with the jacket held in his left hand:



If so, then he must have slung it over his shoulder as he went higher up the steps and east to keep JFK & Jackie in view.