Prayer Woman

[Barry Pollard]

The "Wiegman's run" segment last 27s and as he stops filming the Hesters, Couch and Darnell start.
Myers says 3.6s before Z313 for start of Wiegman but there's a chance he's off by one second at least(but not 4-5).
Let's call it 2.5s before Z313, runtime of 27s means Couch and Darnell start at 24-25s after Z313.

Okay now Calvery's run.
She could probably do it in around 12s but @6s after Z313 in Wiegman she's still in the same general area on Elm(her group had stepped back and pulled east but no real sign of anyone running away yet).  So start a 6s and give her another 12s to reach somewhere west of the landing where she or the other woman could be heard by not just Lovelady and Shelley but officers Smith and Baker.
So, if I'm correct, the theory is that @18s after Z313 some combination of  Lovelady, Shelley and Smith react to two women, at least one of whom was screaming and they approach her.

Smith claimed the woman said, "they're shooting at him from the bushes", not heard by either of the two Bill's, he is seen in Couch well ahead of BS/BL stalking his way to Elm St proper.  So Smith could have talked to her alone, the two Bill's come next, probably overheard some of the conversation, they then follow Smith.
How long for that conversation, 5s?

So, now we're getting close, Couch starts @ 24-25s and the event thus far has taken 23s but as we know Smith and the two Bills are seconds away from Calvery, who is now on the steps for the start of Darnell(and therefor Couch).  If she repeats the story for the two Bills it doesn't work, there's no time and she hardly has had time to tell those on the steps by the time Couch and Darnell react to Baker and start filming.

This is in no way an attempt to knock the story as a whole, I think it's golden, here's my attempt to get Frazier involved.
Women run from the horror toward a little safety at the TSBD where they work, Smith hear's them coming and heads directly for them, he meets them east of the steps and out of sight of BWF but not BL/BS, the latter two men head for the meeting and overhear part of the converstaion and the urgency of it, Smith heads for Elm, hand on holster, Shelly and Lovelady follow.  Seconds later the two women arrive on the steps and tell those there what has happened.  "Action!". In Darnell we see BWF attempting to hear them for the first time, where as others who could see the cop run up to the women and probably see one of them point that same cop to the west, have not only all tutned to look in that direction but some like Evans have already ran for the light pole to check it out.
Think about it, Why is Evans already at the lampost and Frazier still trying to work it all out?
Frazier likes to claim he had the best spot in the whole plaza, not for this event he didn't.  Positioning was the key for an early reaction to Calvery, that and/or a little added awareness.

[Barry Pollard]

Fraziers' WC testimony is of little help, that's why it's not quoted that often, again Shelley and Lovelady had took off before he hears the news.
Should I even bother? OK WTH.
"Billy and them had walked down that way, I hadn't moved."
"Right before I went back[back inside the building for lunch as he said just before and after this] somebody had come and told us in a low hollering that they'd shot Kennedy.
Then I went right back in the building.".

Anyone want to claim this is an accurate telling of his involvement told 6months after the event?
Why not? Hears the knews and goes inside to eat his lunch, pretty much the same as he told Mack.
You'll note he didn't bring his sandwiches outside but sat there alone in the basement as per, deliberating his next move perhaps.

[Barry Pollard]

That's a fair point, the woman Smith spoke to doesn't have to be Calvery or her friend but from Occum's POV it would seem most likely, also if they were running toward safety what better sight than a cop in uniform?
Screaming woman(which had to be near the TSBD for them to hear) mentioned by both Smith and Baker for the WC.
You think Burney is the one further back and still running in Couch, that's okay I think but she's hardly on(or from what I can see, has come from) a collision course with Smith.

Again, like I mentioned with Frazier, find me another interview other than Mack where he mentions the position of BL/BS when these women come up.
For Mack, he said they had already left and for the WC it sounds the same as I just quoted above, check the testimony if you doubt me, they left, I stood still, these women came up.

Let me remind myself what Lovelady said.

[Barry Pollard]

Okay so Lovelady recalls it somewhat differently to Frazier(what's new?), so why do you choose BL now when your little addition to the Calvery event leans so much on BWF and the way he himself remembers it(even though he never quite keeps his story straight)?
7mins into the second part of the Mack interview, just like he told the WC, shots> Lovelady leaves the steps> women came running up.
CSPAN Pt II @7mins.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?287933-101/kennedy-assassination-buell-wesley-frazier-part-2

This way and the way I laid it out works better, Fraziers reaction was seperate, slower and to another event/telling and that might explain the folded arms and relaxed posture of him and PM, they haven't cottoned on yet.
Anyway, watch the first 7mins of Pt II next and remind yourself of why this reliance on testimony is such a farce.

[Royell Storing]

Duncan didn't see the buttons, Duncan INVENTED the buttons as a prank directed at members of another venue.
You latched on to my creation.

          The above is an example of the Danger of Altering JFK Assassination Images. Whether looking at JFK Assassination film footage, still frames, or photos the question consistently arises as to whether the image has been Cropped, Colorized, or flat-out Altered.  Innocent intentions can lead to misconceptions at a later point in time.

[John Mytton]

          The above is an example of the Danger of Altering JFK Assassination Images. Whether looking at JFK Assassination film footage, still frames, or photos the question consistently arises as to whether the image has been Cropped, Colorized, or flat-out Altered.  Innocent intentions can lead to misconceptions at a later point in time.

Innocent intentions can lead to misconceptions at a later point in time.

Seriously, if you can't see that Duncan's presentation is an obvious joke than you have no right to analyse any image and that goes for you and Buttons.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

Seriously, if you can't see that Duncan's presentation is an obvious joke than you have no right to analyse any image and that goes for you and Buttons.

JohnM

  What might be "obvious" is subject to the interpretation of the viewer. An ALTERED JFK Assassination Image for whatever reason is an accident waiting to happen.  All ALTERED JFK Assassination Images should be labeled as such. Requesting this be done is Not like asking for ice water in hell.