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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1449 on: March 04, 2019, 12:51:46 AM »

Here's what Mr Campbell is quoted as having told reporter from the New York Herald Tribune 11/22:



Who is the 'we' who ran back into the building?

Might it have been Mr Campbell and the person he had been with outside, Mrs R. A. Reid?

If so, did they enter into the lobby and see Mr Oswald in the 'small storage room' just to the right as you went in?



Did Mrs Reid cry out to Mr Oswald, 'Someone shot the President! I hope he didn't hit him!'?

Was this the true origin of Mrs Reid's phoney 2nd fl office story?


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Now!

The above scenario would tally very nicely indeed with the testimony of Mrs Geneva L. Hine:

Mr. BALL. Do you have any definite recollection of Mrs. Reid coming in?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I only saw four or five people that came by and they all came and were all talking about how terrible it was.

Mr. BALL. Do you remember their names?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Who were they?
Miss HINE. Mr. Williams, Mr. Molina (spelling), Miss Martha Reid, Mrs. Reid, Mrs. Sarah Stanton, and Mr. Campbell; that's all I recall, sir.


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1450 on: March 04, 2019, 01:05:40 AM »
Now!

The above scenario would tally very nicely indeed with the testimony of Mrs Geneva L. Hine:

Mr. BALL. Do you have any definite recollection of Mrs. Reid coming in?
Miss HINE. No, sir; I only saw four or five people that came by and they all came and were all talking about how terrible it was.

Mr. BALL. Do you remember their names?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Who were they?
Miss HINE. Mr. Williams, Mr. Molina (spelling), Miss Martha Reid, Mrs. Reid, Mrs. Sarah Stanton, and Mr. Campbell; that's all I recall, sir.


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Now!

Here's what Ms Karen Westbrook says Mrs Reid was telling her supervisees up in the office shortly after the assassination:

?Mrs Reid said that she?when everybody was walking and milling and so forth?that Lee came to the door with a coke in his hand and said, ?What?s all the excitement about???

When everybody was walking and milling and so forth-----------this does not describe the empty office 2 minutes after the assassination, does it?

It describes the front lobby (or, if you prefer: the vestibule)!

Was the door that Mr Oswald came to (in Ms Westbrook's words) the door of the small storage room mayhap? Or even the glass front door to the building?

Certainly the incident as Ms Westbrook remembers Mrs Reid as having told it makes no sense in a space------the second-floor office area------in which there were no people at all 'walking and milling about'!

I think Mrs Reid blabbed to her co-workers about having seen Mr Oswald in or near the storage room just after the shooting and was unable to walk it back.

After the Baker/Oswald/Truly encounter at the front entrance had been moved up to the 2nd fl lunchroom, poor Mrs Reid had little choice but to move her own Oswald sighting up a story too!

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1451 on: March 04, 2019, 01:20:33 AM »
Now!

Here's what Ms Karen Westbrook says Mrs Reid was telling her supervisees up in the office shortly after the assassination:

?Mrs Reid said that she?when everybody was walking and milling and so forth?that Lee came to the door with a coke in his hand and said, ?What?s all the excitement about???

When everybody was walking and milling and so forth-----------this does not describe the empty office 2 minutes after the assassination, does it?

It describes the front lobby (or, if you prefer: the vestibule)!

Was the door that Mr Oswald came to (in Ms Westbrook's words) the door of the small storage room mayhap? Or even the glass front door to the building?

Certainly the incident as Ms Westbrook remembers Mrs Reid as having told it makes no sense in a space------the second-floor office area------in which there were no people at all 'walking and milling about'!

I think Mrs Reid blabbed to her co-workers about having seen Mr Oswald in or near the storage room just after the shooting and was unable to walk it back.

After the Baker/Oswald/Truly encounter at the front entrance had been moved up to the 2nd fl lunchroom, poor Mrs Reid had little choice but to move her own Oswald sighting up a story too!

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I think Mrs Reid blabbed to her co-workers about having seen Mr Oswald in or near the storage room just after the shooting and was unable to walk it back.

I think Mrs Reid blabbed to her co-workers about having seen Mr Oswald just after the shooting, was nothing but office gossip , and was unable to walk it back.


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1452 on: March 04, 2019, 01:54:52 AM »

I think Mrs Reid blabbed to her co-workers about having seen Mr Oswald in or near the storage room just after the shooting and was unable to walk it back.

After the Baker/Oswald/Truly encounter at the front entrance had been moved up to the 2nd fl lunchroom, poor Mrs Reid had little choice but to move her own Oswald sighting up a story too!

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And then there's this from Mr Campbell's FBI interview 11/24:



So! The rush towards the grassy knoll which he told Mr Biffle about turns out only to have been a movement of 'a few feet'----------after which he returned to the building.

The grounds for believing that Mr Campbell and Mrs Reid saw Mr Oswald as they passed the 'small storage room' just off the front lobby, by the front stairs-------



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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1453 on: March 04, 2019, 02:09:25 AM »


Friends, I cannot shake the suspicion----------and it's no more than that---------that Mr Oswald's reason for going into that small storage room right after the shooting was to check on a rifle he had brought to work. Once he found it gone, he realised he had been tricked.

It would explain a lot, starting with his departure from the Depository and his movements thereafter...

Could his being tricked have a link to an incident recorded in Agent Hosty's contemporaneous notes?:



Mr Truly, remember, was to be the man who would shop him to DPD.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1454 on: March 04, 2019, 05:13:45 AM »
Look at the Z-film, Betzner-3, Willis-5, and Roberdeau's map -- on which he has John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly identified, but the dot to the immediate left of Templin mysteriously unlabeled -- and I'm sure than even you can, by simultaneously referring to at least two of those four sources at any given time and noting the relative positions of Templin, Brandt, the Tall & Black-Headscarf/"Glasses-Wearing" Woman, and the Woman In All-White standing two people to her left, and, by actually DOING some honest mental triangulations of said figures in all four sources (if you are so capable), ... wah-lah ... correctly "connect the dots" regarding the positional relationship of that "mysto" dot to all of those people and ... gasp ... DEDUCE ... that yes!, the Tall & Black-Headscarf-Wearing Woman in Zapruder really is the same person as your Tall & "Glasses-Wearing" (as YOU so adroitly and correctly noticed, upon enlargement, presumably) ... Woman in Betzner-3.

How about you show your own ?mental triangulations? instead of ?proving? your claim by demanding that I do it?

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Prayer Woman
« Reply #1455 on: March 04, 2019, 11:32:36 AM »
BS. Pure speculation is not ?dead proof? of anything.

If you watch the whole interview, Frazier gestures with his right hand frequently.

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