Buell Wesley Frazier

[Jack Nessan]

Your speculative guess about what she meant isn't any more correct than anybody else's, and it's certainly not something you can just declare as a fact. "It" could refer to the package, not "the bottom".  You can't determine that from a transcript.  She could have started to say something like "and the bottom was a few inches off the ground", but interrupted herself to say "he carried it this way", demonstrating a right-handed grip near the top of the package.  Either way, she says nothing about the left hand.  It's all in your mind.

My fault for not posting her complete statement on how the bag was being carried as you obviously were unaware of what she had already stated about the top of the package before she focuses on the bottom of it . She had already explained how the top was being carried and then she shifted her explanation to the bottom by stating “and”--- “and the bottom”. So, you are now speculating she now explains again how the top was being held? By using the word “bottom” That actually makes sense to you? John. logic is your specialty don’t let it fail you now.

Linnie May--”and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it”



This is two completely different explanations for two different areas of the bag.
What is obvious, is you clearly understand how her statement cannot be used to explain a shorter bag than her estimate of 42 inches. Too bad it was Ball questioning her and not Specter. Specter would have understood the problem with her 27 inch estimate and expounded upon it. Ball not so much.

[Michael Capasse]

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

[Jack Nessan]

Mr. BALL. Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it”

[Michael Capasse]

and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it”

Point to any document, statement, or otherwise that refers, "...carried it this way.." as meaning left hand.

[Jack Nessan]

Point to any document, statement, or otherwise that refers, "...carried it this way.." as meaning left hand.

"and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this,"

His right hand was being used to "grip" the top. Were you thinking he used his middle hand? Only in conspiracy land could LHO have three hands.

[John Iacoletti]

My fault for not posting her complete statement on how the bag was being carried as you obviously were unaware of what she had already stated about the top of the package before she focuses on the bottom of it . She had already explained how the top was being carried and then she shifted her explanation to the bottom by stating “and”--- “and the bottom”. So, you are now speculating she now explains again how the top was being held? By using the word “bottom” That actually makes sense to you? John. logic is your specialty don’t let it fail you now.

I see.  So your arrogantly expressed, contrived interpretation is automatically superior to any other interpretation, because . . . reasons.  Believe whatever you like, but don't call it "logic".  She said NOTHING about the left hand, no matter how badly you want it to mean that.

This is two completely different explanations for two different areas of the bag.
What is obvious, is you clearly understand how her statement cannot be used to explain a shorter bag than her estimate of 42 inches.

  There is nothing about that description that tells you a single thing about how long the package was.  And her estimate was 27-28 1/2 inches.

[John Iacoletti]

"and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this,"

His right hand was being used to "grip" the top. Were you thinking he used his middle hand? Only in conspiracy land could LHO have three hands.

When all else fails, trot out a ridiculous strawman.

[Zeon Mason]

How could Linnie May see that the top of the bag was folded over if Oswalds right hand was gripping the bag at the very top?

Would not his hand be covering over the folded over flap?

And the swinging motion is a bit awkward if the forearm was perpendicular to the body , if the bag never touched the ground.

So the alternative way to carry the bag seemed to be a problem too, if the firearm was down and parallel to the body and the hand grip with the thumb pointed down at the very top of the bag, because Oswald was only 70” (with shoes on)

But now I’m thinking that Linnie May seeing the flap folded over at the top of the bag means that the alternative way of carrying the bag with forearm down and  parallel to Oswald’s body , is now plausible because the right hand may not have been at the very absolute top of the bag. The hand would in effect be gripping the package just below the folded over flap, meaning that about 5” of bag would have extended above the hand  on the inside of the forearm.

Here is the calculatuon: 70” (Oswalds height) X  0.5 =35”  ( the approx height of Oswalds waist from the ground)
35”  - 5” for  width of hand gripping the bag - 5” of bag extended above the hand such that the folded flap was visible to LMR = 24” of bag that extended downward from the thumb end of hand to the ground.

From the photo of Oswald in his T-shirt and both hands down and crossed in front of his body, as he is standing by the policeman, his hands at his side appear to be approx 8” below his waist belt.

So 35” + 8”= 43”  and 70”-43”=27”

Conclusion:
Given that Oswald was wearing shoes that could increase his height to 70” ,  given the approx calculations above, and given that LMR saw the top of the bag folded over thus Oswald’s gripping hand was lower than the absolute top of the bag, then it’s plausible that Oswald could have carried the bag with his firearm down which would facilitate him able to swing the bag along just a few inches off the ground.