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Online John Corbett

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 04:17:05 PM »
The shooter hears the muzzle blast first and then the sonic effect of the bullet traveling downrange with normal supersonic ammo.

And as JohnC. Reminded me, at the impact site, it’s the reverse, ie: the sound of impact precedes the sound of the muzzle blast if  the bullet was supersonic.

But would not that mean then that for each bullet fired there would be 2 sounds heard, the sound of impact followed like only 0.3 sec or or less by the boom since the distance at Z224 was only about 65 yards and the distance at Z313 about 90 yds?

Even if the 1st shot did not hit anything like the road or the manhole cover thus only one sound , the other 2 bullets at Z224 and Z313 hit fresh and bone so there would have been 2 sounds per bullet heard theoretically.

Therefore , should not Bowers and other witnesses have heard 5 sounds at the least?

I'm no expert on the subject of acoustics but I do know it can behave rather strangely. I remember from Ken Burns's series on the Civil War, the phenomenon of acoustic shadows was discovered. People 20 miles away could hear the sound of canon fire but people just mile away could not.

In the example I gave earlier, I discovered something which I cannot explain. I heard my neighbor taking target practice with his muzzle loader on the adjacent property while walking my dogs. I have a five acre wooded lot while my neighbor's property is an open field. I walk my dogs on an oval path. The sound I would hear from each shot he took would vary depending on where I was on the oval. In some places I would hear a single sound. Other places I would hear B-BOOM. Still other places I would hear BOOM-BOOM. I have no explanation for what I was hearing but it was quite easy to discern.

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 04:18:49 PM »
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Not sure.

Deep inside the TSBD, three boom sounds were heard. That indicates three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window, IMHO. There could have been shots from elsewhere, and the second official investigation into the JFKA, the HSCA-1979, said there was a high probability of shot from the GK.

Despite the M-C carbine or short rifle firing supersonic bullets, no witnesses reported the cracking sound sometimes associated with such bullets.

I believe I have heard "crackle" sound of echoes off of trees and rocks from high-powered hunting rifles--the slugs leaving a miniature supersonic booms as they go back. 

Bowers did not report a "crack" sound, only three booms. The last two booms very tightly spaced---the same recollection of Deputy Weitzman and also SS agent Kellerman.

I suppose people close enough to JFK and JBC would have heard the impact. Bowers was likely too far away.

Bower did not report one boom sounding different in pitch or volume from the other booms. Only the rapid cadence of the last two booms--which rules out the sole use of a single-shot-per-bolt-action-rifle as the source of those booms.

So it’s not very probable that Bowers heard other noises intermixed with the 3 loud booms , because those would be distinctly different sound.  That  seems like a reasonable conclusion to me , Zeon , just a mere mortal human being  Thumb1:

Online John Corbett

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:20:52 PM »
ZM-

Not sure.

Deep inside the TSBD, three boom sounds were heard. That indicates three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window, IMHO. There could have been shots from elsewhere, and the second official investigation into the JFKA, the HSCA-1979, said there was a high probability of shot from the GK.


I suppose there could have been other shots that no one heard, no one saw, that didn't hit anything, and left no trace (recovered shells, recovered bullets). That doesn't leave a lot of reason to believe there were other shots.

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 05:46:50 PM »
Sam Kinney driver of the follow up car heard the same as bowers Pow.........Pow...Pow

Online John Corbett

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 08:32:53 PM »
Sam Kinney driver of the follow up car heard the same as bowers Pow.........Pow...Pow

And some people heard evenly spaced shots and others who thought the first two were closer together.

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Re: Lee Bowers on the Timing of Shots on 11.22
« Reply #19 on: Today at 03:26:09 AM »
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There is the possibility of nearly simultaneous shots heard as one shot (by most witnesses), or use of silencers.

The LNT theory remains implausible due to witnesses such as Bowers (testifies as to rapid cadence), and the smell of gunsmoke in the GK area in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA. The wind was blowing from GK towards the TSBD.

Gov. JBC's testimony lines up with him being shot ~Z-295.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

The HSCA-1979 concluded there was a high probability of a gunshot from the GK, and of a JFKAC. That was the last official investigation (the Luna Committee not being an investigation, but rather a Gong Show).

I do not pretend to know who conspired with LHO. I know leads to Havana and Moscow were snuffed out by the WC following instructions from President LBJ. 

As the LNT is implausible, by deduction there was a JFKAC.