The First Shot

[John Corbett]

"Now you are just plain lying. Why do you have to lie to make your points? This is what JBC actually said"

Your profound ignorance regarding anything outside what the WC Sham report states is making you look really idiotic.
That you imagine that Connally made his only statement about the shooting in his WC hearing is embarrassing for you.
Once again I would steer you to Pat Speer's website as a resource:

(12-13-63 FBI report on a 12-11 interview, CD188, p. 3-5) When Governor Connally was asked about the elapsed time between the first and last shot he remarked “Fast, my God it was fast. It seemed like a split second. Just that quick” and he snapped his fingers three times rapidly to illustrate the time and said “unbelievably quick…Governor Connally felt the shots were fired so fast the assassin had hit him by accident on the second shot.”.

"It seemed like a split second"
"Fast, my God it was fast."
"A very, very brief span of time"
"unbelievably quick"

You don't need to thank me for doing your research for you (once again).
Now, getting back to my question - Do you believe there were two shots a split second apart, like JBC says there was?

There is nothing in the Z-film that corroborates those 44 witnesses. It refutes them and corroborates JBC.

How do you know this? You don't have the first clue about these 44 witnesses and what they said.
Yet again, you are completely ignorant about an issue yet you wade in like you're some kind of expert. In a way it's quite impressive.

Glenn Bennett wasn't shot so what is your excuse for believing he imagined a missed first shot?

You are down to a single eyewitness to support your missed shot claim.
You are constantly harping on about the reliability of eyewitness testimony yet hear you are, pinning all your silly hopes on Bennett.
I think I'll stick with the observation of the 44 witnesses, including the majority of the agents riding in the same car as Bennet, that indicate JFK was hit by the first shot.

Not only is Pat Speer a moron, he is apparently a liar. In addition to his WC testimony, I've seen numerous videos of JBC describing the shooting and he always said there was a definite time lag from the time he heard the first shot until he felt the second shot hit him in the back. That was the reason he never accepted the single bullet theory because he knew the first shot had not hit him and for some reason believed the first shot had hit JFK, even though he couldn't see JFK when he turned to look over his right shoulder.

In addition to JBC and Bennett there are other witnesses who believed the first shot had not hit JFK and that the first two shots were closer together.

[Andrew Mason]

(12-13-63 FBI report on a 12-11 interview, CD188, p. 3-5) When Governor Connally was asked about the elapsed time between the first and last shot he remarked “Fast, my God it was fast. It seemed like a split second. Just that quick” and he snapped his fingers three times rapidly to illustrate the time and said “unbelievably quick…Governor Connally felt the shots were fired so fast the assassin had hit him by accident on the second shot.”.

"It seemed like a split second"
"Fast, my God it was fast."
"A very, very brief span of time"
"unbelievably quick"

You don't need to thank me for doing your research for you (once again).
Now, getting back to my question - Do you believe there were two shots a split second apart, like JBC says there was?

Since JBC was referring to the time between the first and third shots, we know that what “ seemed like a split second" was at least the time between z222 and z313 - five seconds and, if the first shot was before z202 based on Phil and Linda Willis’ testimony, a bit more than six seconds.  We know that there could be two bolt action operations and two aimed shots in that amount of time.

[John Corbett]

Since JBC was referring to the time between the first and third shots, we know that what “ seemed like a split second" was at least the time between z222 and z313 - five seconds and, if the first shot was before z202 based on Phil and Linda Willis’ testimony, a bit more than six seconds.  We know that there could be two bolt action operations and two aimed shots in that amount of time.

So you think people could give accurate estimates of the time span of the shots?

[Andrew Mason]

So you think people could give accurate estimates of the time span of the shots?

Yes, depending on how you define “accurate”. Most people can tell the difference between 5 seconds and
ten seconds.  In fact, when drug recognition experts using the standard Romberg test assess whether someone is impaired by alcohol or a drug, one of the indicia used is the 30 second estimate. If the person under-estimates by 10 seconds or more, or over estimates by 15 seconds or more that is considered as a sign of impairment.   When people listen to music they can tell the difference between Andante and Allegro a difference of 80 beats per minute and 120 bpm

[John Corbett]

Yes, depending on how you define “accurate”. Most people can tell the difference between 5 seconds and
ten seconds.  In fact, when drug recognition experts using the standard Romberg test assess whether someone is impaired by alcohol or a drug, one of the indicia used is the 30 second estimate. If the person under-estimates by 10 seconds or more, or over estimates by 15 seconds or more that is considered as a sign of impairment.   When people listen to music they can tell the difference between Andante and Allegro a difference of 80 beats per minute and 120 bpm

The estimates of the time frame varied widely which is an indication everyone who offered an opinion was guessing. A few of the guesses seem to have been close and some were off by quite a bit. The Z-film gives us a very good measurement of the time frame for the two shots that hit JFK because there are clear visual clues for when those occurred. At or about Z222 and definitely at Z313. That's 91 frames or 4.97 seconds. There is nothing in the Z-film that tells us positively when the first bullet was fired but I will gladly argue it was at or about Z147. The headshot would have been fired in the Z310-311 timeframe. That would be about 163 frames or 8.9 seconds. Of course since many people seem to have not recognized that first shot for what it was, their estimate would be based on the second and third shots only which take us back the 4.97 time frame.

[Jack Nessan]

The estimates of the time frame varied widely which is an indication everyone who offered an opinion was guessing. A few of the guesses seem to have been close and some were off by quite a bit. The Z-film gives us a very good measurement of the time frame for the two shots that hit JFK because there are clear visual clues for when those occurred. At or about Z222 and definitely at Z313. That's 91 frames or 4.97 seconds. There is nothing in the Z-film that tells us positively when the first bullet was fired but I will gladly argue it was at or about Z147. The headshot would have been fired in the Z310-311 timeframe. That would be about 163 frames or 8.9 seconds. Of course since many people seem to have not recognized that first shot for what it was, there estimate would be based on the second and third shots only which take us back the 4.97 time frame.

You're admitting that the Early Missed Shot is just a bunch of made-up nonsense where you see things in the Zapruder Film that aren't there and does not support this tripe.

There is no evidence of any form, witness or hard evidence of any kind to support it. When are you going to wake up and come to the party? Constantly repeating this ridiculous claim does not eventually make it true.