The First Shot

[Dan O'meara]

Dans Z224 1st shot sequence fits better than any other of the LN 1st shot miss sequences with a 3rd shot that could possibly have hit  the manhole cover. It’s an unaimed shot 2 secs after Z313. If it’s possible a lead fragment separated from the copper jacket and flew across the green to strike the curb near Tague, then that fragment was probably traveling at least 1500ft/ sec which would have been enough to cause some concrete debris from the curb causing Tagues cheek wound. It fits closer with Norman’s shot spacing and with Tagues recollection ( he said it was the 2nd OR the 3rd shot). And 4.8 secs then 2 secs is lot closer to the 75%witness heard  shot pattern of 1… 2.3 than any LN Z140 thru Z170 1st shot missed sequence that is 9-10secs in duration.

Andrew’s Z190-Z270-Z313 sequence is the only other LN proposal but where in there could the manhole cover have been hit?

The amount of evidence demonstrating that the first shot passed through both men at z222/z223 is ridiculous. Anyone who genuinely accepts the weight of evidence can come to no other conclusion.
Once accepted there is little choice but to have the headshot as the second shot followed by a third, missed shot.
In reality, the first shot was a miss in that the target was the head and the shot missed low, passing through JFK's neck. Luckily for the shooter JFK stayed in an upright position as he took his time to line up the fatal headshot. I assume the shooter had already decided he was going to take a third shot, which is why it followed so closely behind the second shot, but why did it miss so wildly?
I suspect the shooter pulled the shot high due to the sudden arrival of Clint Hill on the back of the limo.

[Andrew Mason]

Dans Z224 1st shot sequence fits better than any other of the LN 1st shot miss sequences with a 3rd shot that could possibly have hit  the manhole cover. It’s an unaimed shot 2 secs after Z313. If it’s possible a lead fragment separated from the copper jacket and flew across the green to strike the curb near Tague, then that fragment was probably traveling at least 1500ft/ sec which would have been enough to cause some concrete debris from the curb causing Tagues cheek wound. It fits closer with Norman’s shot spacing and with Tagues recollection ( he said it was the 2nd OR the 3rd shot).

There is no way that a fragment from the head shot was travelling 1500 fps or anything close to that.  But a fragment deflecting off the manhole cover enough to miss the curb and drop a further 10 feet down to the road near Tague (it is a 3 degree downward slope over the 200 or so feet to Tague) would have to be moving much slower than 1500 fps. It takes .8 seconds to fall 10 ft. So it could have a horizontal speed of no more than 200/.8=250 fps.

By the way, Tague said he believed he heard a shot after the shot that hit him on the cheek and he heard exactly three shots.

Andrew’s Z190-Z270-Z313 sequence is the only other LN proposal but where in there could the manhole cover have been hit?

There is not only no evidence that the manhole was hit but there is abundant evidence that the head shot was the last shot.

[John Corbett]

The amount of evidence demonstrating that the first shot passed through both men at z222/z223 is ridiculous. Anyone who genuinely accepts the weight of evidence can come to no other conclusion.

Yes, there is ample evidence that a bullet passed through those men at that time frame but there is also ample evidence that there was a shot before that. JBC insisted until his dying day that it was the second shot that hit him. He heard a shot before the one that hit him. Glenn Bennett also heard a shot before seeing the second shot strike JFK. We can see JBC turn to look over his right shoulder at Z164 which he said was his reaction upon hearing the first shot. Are we supposed to believe that both JBC and Bennett imagined hearing a shot before the shot that struck JFK and JBC, because that is what is required to believe the first shot was the single bullet. I can understand how you could be unconvinced of a first shot miss but I don't know how you can be so certain there wasn't a missed first shot. I think there is strong evidence the first shot was fired about Z147 but I wouldn't go so far as to declare that a certainty because the evidence is less than definitive. It seems completely illogical to me that you could rule out even the possibility of a missed first shot.

Once accepted there is little choice but to have the headshot as the second shot followed by a third, missed shot.

I don't know how anyone can say there was positively a missed third shot when there is practically no evidence of that and there is very strong evidence that the first shot missed. Tell us why you think a missed third shot is more likely than a missed first shot. What are you seeing that the rest of us can't?

In reality, the first shot was a miss in that the target was the head and the shot missed low, passing through JFK's neck. Luckily for the shooter JFK stayed in an upright position as he took his time to line up the fatal headshot.

How can you know what Oswald was aiming at. As a Marine, he would have been trained to shoot at center of mass. That doesn't prove he was aiming his first shot and JFK's torso, but it is certainly a possibility. How can you be so sure the back shot wasn't his aiming point and the headshot struck high? You seem to want to arbitrarily dismiss possibilities except the ones to your liking.

I assume the shooter had already decided he was going to take a third shot, which is why it followed so closely behind the second shot, but why did it miss so wildly?
I suspect the shooter pulled the shot high due to the sudden arrival of Clint Hill on the back of the limo.

Your suspicions aren't evidence of anything, nor are your assumptions, but you seem to lean heavily upon them to establish your beliefs. It seems odd to me that Oswald would have even taken that shot once JFK fell over to his left which he did as soon as Jackie had climbed out onto the trunk, which she did just as Clint Hill was grabbing the handhold.

[John Corbett]

I didn’t make up the notion the JBC was turned sideways when the second shot sounded. Nellie and Gayle Newman observed it and JBC’s three doctors agreed that his chest was nearly parallel to the direction of the bullet:

The surgeon assumed the elongated entry wound on JBC's back was the result of a tangential strike without considering that it could have been the result of a yawing bullet. The geometry of the shot no matter what frame you theorize the bullet struck rules out a tangential strike. Only a moron could conclude a shot fired from behind, striking JBC in the back during the frames you posted, could have possibly entered below his right nipple. With this nonsense you post, you demonstrate you are not a person who should be taken seriously, but that was determined a long time ago.

[Andrew Mason]

The surgeon assumed the elongated entry wound on JBC's back was the result of a tangential strike without considering that it could have been the result of a yawing bullet. The geometry of the shot no matter what frame you theorize the bullet struck rules out a tangential strike. Only a moron could conclude a shot fired from behind, striking JBC in the back during the frames you posted, could have possibly entered below his right nipple. With this nonsense you post, you demonstrate you are not a person who should be taken seriously, but that was determined a long time ago.

I don’t know how you can post so much without reading the posts of those you are responding to. It would indeed be nonsense to suggest a bullet entered below JBC’s right nipple. That is where the bullet exited. “With this nonsense you post, you demonstrate you are not a person who should be taken seriously, but that was determined a long time ago.”