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Online Benjamin Cole

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One of the unexplained curiosities of the JFKA is that not one but two law enforcement officers separately encountered a man in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, who flashed a Secret Service credential at each of them. 

Sure, one can assume anyone can mistake, even a law enforcement officer looking at and noting ID 11.22.

But two law enforcement officers, men in good-standing?

AFAIK, the Weitzman and Hill were in no meaningful way connected to each other, had no agendas or axes to grind, and were not CT-addled lefties.

I conclude someone flashed a Secret Service credential at Weitzman and Hill, in separate incidents, on 11.22.

There were no Secret Service agents in the GK area on 11.22, by the records and statement of the Secret Service itself.

Moreover, no one from the Secret Service ever came forward and said, "Oh, that was me on the GK. It was my day off, but I came down to watch the motorcade."

Similarly, no one from another agency, such as the federal ATF, came forward and said, "Oh, that was me. The ATF badge resembles the SS badge." 

Of course, the location of the ersatz Secret Service-badge flasher, near the GK, is where credible witnesses saw a puff of smoke (Sam Holland and others) and where from many ear-witnesses thought they heard gunshots.

The HSCA, and Tink Thompson, say there are anomalies on photographs indicating a person was in the GK area, during the gunshots, and then left.

There is the unsettling movement of JFK's head post Z-312.

Add it up, and I have reasonable doubts about LNT's (and most CT's, but that is another topic). 



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One of the unexplained curiosities of the JFKA is that not one but two law enforcement officers separately encountered a man in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, who flashed a Secret Service credential at each of them. 

Sure, one can assume anyone can mistake, even a law enforcement officer looking at and noting ID 11.22.

But two law enforcement officers, men in good-standing?

Maybe he was a CIAer perp!

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AFAIK, the Weitzman and Hill were in no meaningful way connected to each other, had no agendas or axes to grind, and were not CT-addled lefties.

Does one have to be a Lefty to be CT-addled?
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TG-

"Maybe he (a man with ersatz Secret Service credentials on the GK) was a CIAer perp!"--TG

The CIA had facilities for fabricating fake national and international security credentials of every kind. That is not a CT.

Some CT'ers say the CIA was riddled with KGB assets in 1963, including Bruce Solie and James McCord.

Could KGB assets inside the CIA have produced a fake Secret Service credential in 1963? Who knows? It is a CT, indeed like the CT that Solie and McCord were KGB assets.

Were Solie and McCord actually KGB asstes? No records have ever been produced, either in the US or Russia, to verify that. No former KGB officer ever came forward and said, "Oh, Solie and McCord belonged to us."

Solie and McCord are not around to defend their names. Solie and McCord as KGB assets remains a CT.

JFKA CT's often look likely, but are unprovable.

Still, no one has ever disputed Sheriff Weitzman and DPD'er Hill met someone on the GK who flashed SS credentials in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, and that the SS had no agent there.

It is one reason to have reasonable doubts about the WC LNT.

Which, at the end of the day, is another theory about the JFKA.

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Some CT'ers say the CIA was riddled with KGB assets in 1963, including Bruce Solie and James McCord.

Dear "BC,"

Is someone a "CTer" if he or she believes the earth is round, that we really did go to the moon in 1969, and that LHO killed JFK all by himself if they also happen to believe that the CIA was penetrated by at least five moles (Bruce Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, George Kisevalter, John Paisley, and Edward Ellis Smith*) before Aldrich Ames started spying for the KGB in 1985?

*Edward Ellis Smith was the incompetent dead drop setter-upper and eventually honey-trapped-and-recruited-in-1956 first "Moscow Station" who'd been sent there in advance of the return-to-Moscow of CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, when Vienna was to be "de-sectionized" in 1965. Interestingly, Smith, after being fired or "fired" by the CIA, ended up being a Stalin scholar at the conservative Hoover Institution, a Commonwealth Club official, and a San Francisco banker. He died in a semi-mysterious hit-and-run accident in a well-marked intersection in Redwood City in 1982.

A 2000 KGB-authorized book** (published in the Russian language) about the history of the KGB boasted that Smith was the first CIA officer it had ever recruited.

Steve M.'s and Fancy Pants Rants' bugbear, Tennent H. Bagley, was convinced that Smith had betrayed Popov to Nosenko's boss, Vladislav Kovshuk (aka "diplomat" Vladimir Komarov) in Washington, D.C., movie houses in January 1957, and that he also may have helped it recruit a never-uncovered mole (Bruce Solie?).

**A. Kolpakiki and G. Prokhorov, Vneshnyaya Razveda Rossii (Russian Foreign Intelligence) (Moscow: Olma-Press, 2000), 70.

-- "TG"
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I have never seen evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Solie and McCord were KGB assets.

It is a reasonable suspicion or deduction, but not much more.

It is a CT about Solie and McCord, that they conspired with the KGB.



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I have never seen evidence beyond reasonable doubt that Solie and McCord were KGB assets.

It is a reasonable suspicion or deduction, but not much more.

It is a CT about Solie and McCord, that they conspired with the KGB.

Dear "BC,"

Regarding McCord, take your beef to John M. Newman.

Regarding Solie, Read Tennent H. Bagley's Spy Wars for background, and Newman's Uncovering Popov's Mole for specifics.

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

-- "TG"

PS

Here's one of my 659 free-to-read Substack posts at "How the KGB Zombified the CIA and the FBI":


Bruce Solie: KGB Mole, or Duped-by-Kremlin-Loyal Triple Agent Igor Kochnov into Believing Yuri Nosenko was a True Defector?


Background:

Putative KGB staff officer Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 — sent to the CIA there to discredit what a recent true defector, KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn, was telling CIA about probable penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies — and a false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964.

A few days after his final meeting with Nosenko in Geneva, his primary CIA case officer, Tennent H. Bagley, convinced Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton at CIA headquarters that Nosenko was fake. He did so after reading, at Angleton's suggestion, the thick file on Golitsyn and realizing that the cases that Nosenko had spoken dismissably about were the same ones that Golitsyn had been telling Angleton about even though Golitsyn and Nosenko had worked in different parts of the highly compartmentalized KGB.

Although the Soviet Russia Division and Angleton’s Counterintelligence Staff were convinced that Nosenko was a provocateur, he was allowed to physically defect to the U.S. in February 1964 because the Warren Commission was just beginning to investigate the assassination of President Kennedy, and because Nosenko was claiming in Geneva — where he was once again (implausibly) acting as the security officer for a Soviet arms negation delegation — to have been Lee Harvey Oswald’s case officer and to have just received a “return to Moscow immediately” telegram from KGB headquarters. Nosenko said he had read the file on Oswald four times — twice before and twice after the assassination — and swore that the KGB had nothing to do with the former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator during the two-and-a-half years he lived in the USSR.

Upon arriving in the U.S., Nosenko refused to fully cooperate with his CIA interviewers, and after a couple of months, the CIA decided to detain him and subject him to a polygraph exam and hostile, but non-tortuous, interrogations.

At one point, having been caught in a lie about his alleged KGB crew's surveillance of John Abidian, the security officer at the American Embassy, in its attempt "to catch another Popov," Nosenko was recorded mumbling to himself in a trance-like state, "If I admit I wasn’t watching Abidian, then I’d have to admit that I’m not George, that I wasn’t born in Nikolayev, and that I’m not married.”

Around 2010, British researcher Malcolm Blunt found a document at the National Archives that indicated that Angleton’s confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior in the Office of Security, Bruce Solie, had tried in April 1964 to talk the Warren Commission’s W. David Slawson into allowing Nosenko to testify to the Commission even though the Soviet Bloc Division and James Angleton’s Counterintelligence Staff seriously doubted Nosenko’s bona fides and the aforementioned interrogations of Nosenko had just begun.

Fast-forward a couple of years to 1966 . . .

KGB Major Igor Kochnov, posted to the Soviet Embassy as a diplomat, calls Richard Helms at home on a Saturday morning in June and offers to spy for the CIA in exchange for being allowed to recruit, or appear to recruit, former defector Nicholas Shadrin. Angleton thinks he’s fake, and, fearing that the Soviet Bloc Division has been penetrated by a mole, chooses inexperienced Solie to be Kochnov’s CIA case officer. Solie and FBI agent Elbert Turner meet with Kochnov, and Kochnov tells them that he was sent to Washington to track down and either kidnap or kill both (true defector) Golitsyn and (false defector) Nosenko. He also flatters Solie by telling him he was right to suspect that Igor Orlov — aka Alexander “Sasha” Kopatzky — was Golitsyn’s long-sought mole, SASHA. (Orlov had been forced to retire from the Agency five years earlier.)

The $64,000 Question:

Given the above, was Bruce Solie, who “cleared” Nosenko in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report and was instrumental in Kochnov’s kidnapping of Shadrin in Vienna in 1975, a KGB mole?

It sure seems that way to me.
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I realize that all roads everywhere always lead back to the KGB, Bruce Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, George Kisevalter, John Paisley, and Edward Ellis Smith et al, and that John Newman suspects Solie and McCord were KGB assets. but still....

Even threads about some guy with SS credentials on the GK on 11.22...revolves around Bruce Solie.

Tennent Bagley, when informed that Bruce Solie had tried to get the WC's ear, and did get the HSCA's ear regarding Nosenko, thought it possible--that is possible--that Solie was a KGB asset. Bagley was not convinced. Bagley also said that LHO was a witting asset in Russia.

I will credit Bagley with having about 100 times the perspective on Solie that CIA outsiders have, people who never even met Solie. Bagley said it is possible Solie had been turned. Maybe so.

I will defer to Bagley. I never worked a day inside the CIA, or any other intel outfit. Bagley tangled with Solie for years, and held him in low regard.

OTOH, where are the KGB'ers who could confirm Solie was bent? None have ever surfaced. No documents ever revealed. No tapped phone calls, no witnessed meetings with KGB'ers. Nothing.

Solie as KGB asset is a CT.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.