John Connally and Andrew Mason were/are both grossly wrong

[Tom Graves]

Mr. SPECTER. As the automobile turned left onto Elm from Houston, what did occur there, Governor?

Governor CONNALLY. We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street.

We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt. So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time.

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My comments:

Connally said the limo had already gone 150 to 200 feet down Elm Street when he heard the first shot ring out.

Reality: The limo had gone about 70 feet down Elm Street when the shot rang out.

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Connally said he instinctively turned to his right when he heard the first shot.

Reality: He instinctively started turning his head to his left in Z-150 for about a second to see if Nellie was okay.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z150.jpg

After he'd done that, he started turning his head back to his far right in Z-165 to see if JFK was okay,

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z165.jpg

Connally said he turned to his right because the shot appeared to come from over his right shoulder (correct), and he suggested that he also wanted to see if JFK was okay. He said, He said, "So I looked, failing to see him."

Correct.

He said he saw the crowd but couldn't catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder,

Correct. JFK's acquaintance, Mary Woodward, and her three journalism colleagues were clapping and cheering, and they attracted both JFK's and Connally's attention. By Z-180, JFK had raised his right arm to wave to them and turned his head far to his right to smile at them, thereby preventing JBC's "seeing" him over his right shoulder.

Connally said, "I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn."

Correct. As we can see by comparing Z-180 with Z-222, Connally started turning to his left while he was obscured from Zapruder's view behind by the Stemmons sign.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z180.jpg

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg

Upon emerging from behind the sign (and soon being hit by CE-399 -- if not hit already), he was still looking a little bit to his right, but not as much as before.

When Connally said he was looking "a little to the left of center" when he was hit, he was probably conflating what he was doing in Z-161 and in the Robert Croft photo with what he was doing when he was hit by CE-399 at some point between Z-221 and Z-225.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z161.jpg

Click on it:

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Regardless, why does Andrew Mason say Connally was hit in Z-273 (when he was turned 180 degrees from "looking a little to the left of center")?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z273.jpg

Answer: Connally and Mason are both grossly wrong.

Connally said there was "a very, very brief" interval between the first shot and the shot that hit him.

In reality, it was about five-and-a-half seconds long.

[John Corbett]

People aren't going to remember something they didn't take note of at the time it happened. JBC was making an educated guess as to how far down Elm St. the limo had gone before he heard the first shot. He would have had no reason to make note of that prior to hearing the shot and it wouldn't crossed his mind to make note of that after he heard the shot.

[John Corbett]

Regardless, why does Andrew Mason say Connally was hit in Z-273 (when he was turned 180 degrees from "looking a little to the left of center")?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z273.jpg

Answer: Connally and Mason are both grossly wrong.

Connally said there was "a very, very brief" interval between the first shot and the shot that hit him.

In reality, it was about five-and-a-half seconds long.

We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I calculate there was about 4 seconds between the first two shots. Neither you nor I have proof positive for when that first shot was fired so it is possible either you or I could be wrong. It is also possible we are both wrong. Maybe Max Holland is right and the first shot was fired before either of us has calculated. Maybe Dale Meyers is right and it was fired after either of us has calculated. Unless someone discovers something that has yet gone undetected, it will always come down to how we weigh the various clues as to when that first shot was fired. One thing we can agree on. Andrew Mason is way off base in his analysis.

[Jack Nessan]

We will have to agree to disagree on this point. I calculate there was about 4 seconds between the first two shots. Neither you nor I have proof positive for when that first shot was fired so it is possible either you or I could be wrong. It is also possible we are both wrong. Maybe Max Holland is right and the first shot was fired before either of us has calculated. Maybe Dale Meyers is right and it was fired after either of us has calculated. Unless someone discovers something that has yet gone undetected, it will always come down to how we weigh the various clues as to when that first shot was fired. One thing we can agree on. Andrew Mason is way off base in his analysis.

It is also possible we are both wrong.

Not only is it possible but you, Graves, Meyers, and Holland are wrong.

The whole early missed shot idea is as pathetic as it gets. To start you have to believe the witnesses are all wrong except some weird interpretation of JBC's statements. Not even Nellie, the three witnesses under the SN, all the witnesses along Elm Street, or the Secret Service can be believed. Nobody knows anything but the four clowns, Corbett, Graves, Holland, and Meyers, who seem to want climb into the Early Missed Shot Clown Car, drive around and proclaim damn the evidence we know we are right.

[John Corbett]

It is also possible we are both wrong.

Not only is it possible but you, Graves, Meyers, and Holland are wrong.

The whole early missed shot idea is as pathetic as it gets. To start you have to believe the witnesses are all wrong except some weird interpretation of JBC's statements. Not even Nellie, the three witnesses under the SN, all the witnesses along Elm Street, or the Secret Service can be believed. Nobody knows anything but the four clowns, Corbett, Graves, Holland, and Meyers, who seem to want climb into the Early Missed Shot Clown Car, drive around and proclaim damn the evidence we know we are right.

There is ample evidence of three shots and we have the testimony of JBC and his observed reaction in the Z-film as well as Rosemary Willis' observed reaction that the first shot was the one that missed. We have the testimony of the three TSBD employees who were right below Oswald when he fired the shots describing 3 shots. We have Agent Glenn Bennett's report that he heard a shot, then turned to JFK and SAW the next two shots hit him. You can deny that until the cows come home but that won't change the reality.

[Jack Nessan]

There is ample evidence of three shots and we have the testimony of JBC and his observed reaction in the Z-film as well as Rosemary Willis' observed reaction that the first shot was the one that missed. We have the testimony of the three TSBD employees who were right below Oswald when he fired the shots describing 3 shots. We have Agent Glenn Bennett's report that he heard a shot, then turned to JFK and SAW the next two shots hit him. You can deny that until the cows come home but that won't change the reality.

Nobody cares about a child, unless desperation is the goal.

You misquote Bennett but everyone else is wrong.

JBC does not support an early missed shot.

You already stated you have no idea when the early missed shot took place. How is any of your posts on the assassination shots subject even relevant to any the shots.

[Tom Graves]

Nobody cares about a child, unless desperation is the goal.

Rosemary Willis' head turn away from Jackie and JFK and towards the TSBD in Z-141 is telling.

You misquote Bennett but everyone else is wrong.

Your sentence makes no sense.

Regardless, Glen "Immediately" Bennett wrote on 11/22/63,       
         
"I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. Immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the Boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the Boss's head."

He should have said, "About 5 seconds after I heard this supposed firecracker, I looked at the Boss's car. It was then that I saw a shot that hit the Boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder; a second shot followed about 5 seconds later and hit what looked like the right-rear high part of the Boss's head."

JBC does not support an early missed shot.

Yes, he does.

You already stated you have no idea when the early missed shot took place. How is any of your posts on the assassination shots subject even relevant to any the shots.

Is English your second language?