Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?

[Tom Graves]

I don't think Tom Graves is a nut case, but his obsession with the KGB and his claims about the KGB and the JFK case certainly make him appear to be very odd.

Dear Michael,

Do you think Yuri Nosenko was a true defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962?

Hint: Nosenko's the KGB Major Lt. Col. Captain who recontacted the CIA in late January 1964 and physically defected to the U.S., leaving his beloved-in-1962 wife and two daughters behind to fend for themselves in Moscow and claiming to have read Oswald's KGB file four times -- twice before and twice after the assassination. He implausibly claimed that your and Fancy Pants Rants' beloved KGB had absolutely nothing to do with the former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator during the two-and-a-half years he lived in the USSR.

Question: Does that necessarily mean the KGB killed JFK?

Answer: No, it doesn't.

However, given the fact that Nosenko was eventually hired by the CIA to teach "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits, it is an indication of just how penetrated by the KGB they were, and possibly still are.

If you want to learn more about it, you can read Tennent H. Bagley's 2007 book, Spy Wars: Moles, Mysteries, and Deadly Games for free by googling "spy wars" and "archive" simultaneously.

-- Tom

PS In Apri 1964, when the Soviet Russia Division and CIA Counterintelligence had serious doubts about Nosenko's bona fides, probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie (naive James Angleton's confidant, mentor, and mole-hunting superior in the Office of Security) tried to talk W. David Slawson into allowing Nosenko to testify to the Warren Commission.

Bruce Leonard Solie.

Look him up.

[Brian Doyle]

Nobody cares. Nobody on the front steps had anything to do with the assassination. They were all spectators.

Shelley had a much more conscious role than you allow...He lied about what time he and Lovelady left the steps and he helped Oswald out the rear exit after Oswald was stopped by an un-named cop...The latter is key to the conspiracy and it was what the investigators covered-up the most desperately...John Simkin poses himself as an intellectual gentleman but truth is he's participatory in directly preventing this from ever coming out on The Education Forum without accounting for it and the damage it does to solving the case...Shelley played a key role in the conspiracy...He later admitted to Dallas reporter Dean Glaze that he was CIA...

Lovelady was Shelley's partner...During HSCA Lovelady lied to Jarman and planted the disinformation that he saw Oswald exit through the front door of the Depository...Lovelady did this because Shelley had played a key role in getting Oswald around police detainment at the front door after Oswald was told to step aside and wait...Shelley assisted Oswald out the rear Loading Dock exit to assist Oswald on his way to his next CIA assignment and to keep him from being held by the police...Shelley ID'd Oswald to the cop who was detaining him and gave him the OK as an employee...Shelley told the un-named cop that he was Oswald's superintendent...The cop remained un-named during the Warren Commission to keep Shelley's obvious knowledge of who Oswald was from being known and to cover-up Shelley's assisting him - which would blow the whole conspiracy and evidence that Shelley knew who Oswald was and helped him escape detection...Lee had accidentally stumbled down the front SE stairs and in to the Lobby when Harvey was at the other end...That is what caused Harvey to panic and try to leave through the front door...The cop saw this desperation and stopped Harvey...Shelley saw what was at stake and intervened...The Commission deliberately avoided investigation of all this or even naming the cop because they understood how dangerous it was towards exposing the conspiracy...Lovelady tried to plant disinformation with Jarman that he saw Oswald exit through the front door in order to cover all this up...The plotters were worried HSCA would uncover all the above so they used Lovelady for yet another lie about the front steps...HSCA never pursued Lovelady to ask him why he never told this before during the original investigation...The reason they didn't pursue Lovelady is because they didn't want to open the Pandora's Box I just detailed above...Two of the most important figures in the conspiracy, Lovelady & Shelley, were on the front steps...Now posing himself as a mortal threat to the conspiracy Lovelady died shortly after...This cracks the case and The Education Forum and its "Moderation Team" (DiEugenio gang) are keeping it off the forum at all costs...

Sarah Stanton was also on the front steps in the Prayer Man position...Sarah had witnessed Oswald say he wasn't going down to the front steps to watch the Presidential Parade but was going back in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to eat lunch...The same Lunch Room that Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating lunch in shortly after...The same Lunch Room that Truly & Baker found Oswald alone in...And the same Lunch Room James Hosty told Nigel Turner that Oswald said he was alone in during the assassination...

So, just the opposite, the front steps held key figures in the assassination with key witnessing... 

[John Corbett]

Shelley had a much more conscious role than you allow...He lied about what time he and Lovelady left the steps and he helped Oswald out the rear exit after Oswald was stopped by an un-named cop...The latter is key to the conspiracy and it was what the investigators covered-up the most desperately...John Simkin poses himself as an intellectual gentleman but truth is he's participatory in directly preventing this from ever coming out on The Education Forum without accounting for it and the damage it does to solving the case...Shelley played a key role in the conspiracy...He later admitted to Dallas reporter Dean Glaze that he was CIA...

Lovelady was Shelley's partner...During HSCA Lovelady lied to Jarman and planted the disinformation that he saw Oswald exit through the front door of the Depository...Lovelady did this because Shelley had played a key role in getting Oswald around police detainment at the front door after Oswald was told to step aside and wait...Shelley assisted Oswald out the rear Loading Dock exit to assist Oswald on his way to his next CIA assignment and to keep him from being held by the police...Shelley ID'd Oswald to the cop who was detaining him and gave him the OK as an employee...Shelley told the un-named cop that he was Oswald's superintendent...The cop remained un-named during the Warren Commission to keep Shelley's obvious knowledge of who Oswald was from being known and to cover-up Shelley's assisting him - which would blow the whole conspiracy and evidence that Shelley knew who Oswald was and helped him escape detection...Lee had accidentally stumbled down the front SE stairs and in to the Lobby when Harvey was at the other end...That is what caused Harvey to panic and try to leave through the front door...The cop saw this desperation and stopped Harvey...Shelley saw what was at stake and intervened...The Commission deliberately avoided investigation of all this or even naming the cop because they understood how dangerous it was towards exposing the conspiracy...Lovelady tried to plant disinformation with Jarman that he saw Oswald exit through the front door in order to cover all this up...The plotters were worried HSCA would uncover all the above so they used Lovelady for yet another lie about the front steps...HSCA never pursued Lovelady to ask him why he never told this before during the original investigation...The reason they didn't pursue Lovelady is because they didn't want to open the Pandora's Box I just detailed above...Two of the most important figures in the conspiracy, Lovelady & Shelley, were on the front steps...Now posing himself as a mortal threat to the conspiracy Lovelady died shortly after...This cracks the case and The Education Forum and its "Moderation Team" (DiEugenio gang) are keeping it off the forum at all costs...

Sarah Stanton was also on the front steps in the Prayer Man position...Sarah had witnessed Oswald say he wasn't going down to the front steps to watch the Presidential Parade but was going back in to the 2nd Floor Lunch Room to eat lunch...The same Lunch Room that Carolyn Arnold would see Oswald alone eating lunch in shortly after...The same Lunch Room that Truly & Baker found Oswald alone in...And the same Lunch Room James Hosty told Nigel Turner that Oswald said he was alone in during the assassination...

So, just the opposite, the front steps held key figures in the assassination with key witnessing...

There is zero evidence anybody on the front steps or anywhere else in front of or inside the TSBD had anything to do with the assassination other than the obvious one, Lee Harvey Oswald. Everything else are figments of your imagination. The fact that people like you have to sift through all these trivialities to make a case for a conspiracy is indicative of how pathetically weak that case is.

[David Von Pein]

Lovelady was Shelley's partner...During HSCA Lovelady lied to Jarman and planted the disinformation that he saw Oswald exit through the front door of the Depository...Lovelady did this because Shelley had played a key role in getting Oswald around police detainment at the front door after Oswald was told to step aside and wait...Shelley assisted Oswald out the rear Loading Dock exit to assist Oswald on his way to his next CIA assignment and to keep him from being held by the police...Shelley ID'd Oswald to the cop who was detaining him and gave him the OK as an employee...Shelley told the un-named cop that he was Oswald's superintendent...The cop remained un-named during the Warren Commission to keep Shelley's obvious knowledge of who Oswald was from being known and to cover-up Shelley's assisting him - which would blow the whole conspiracy and evidence that Shelley knew who Oswald was and helped him escape detection...Lee had accidentally stumbled down the front SE stairs and in to the Lobby when Harvey was at the other end...That is what caused Harvey to panic and try to leave through the front door...The cop saw this desperation and stopped Harvey...Shelley saw what was at stake and intervened...The Commission deliberately avoided investigation of all this or even naming the cop because they understood how dangerous it was towards exposing the conspiracy...Lovelady tried to plant disinformation with Jarman that he saw Oswald exit through the front door in order to cover all this up...The plotters were worried HSCA would uncover all the above so they used Lovelady for yet another lie about the front steps...HSCA never pursued Lovelady to ask him why he never told this before during the original investigation...The reason they didn't pursue Lovelady is because they didn't want to open the Pandora's Box I just detailed above...Two of the most important figures in the conspiracy, Lovelady & Shelley, were on the front steps...Now posing himself as a mortal threat to the conspiracy Lovelady died shortly after...This cracks the case and The Education Forum and its "Moderation Team" (DiEugenio gang) are keeping it off the forum at all costs...

Geesh, that's quite a fantasy you've manufactured there, Brian. Has anybody purchased the movie rights yet? After all, make-believe wild fantasies like the one you've spun in your above post are sometimes big box-office hits. Good luck.

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Geesh, that's quite a fantasy you've manufactured there, Brian. Has anybody purchased the movie rights yet? After all, make-believe wild fantasies like the one you've spun in your above post are sometimes big box-office hits. Good luck.

An AI movie?  Great suggestion, David!  Would be cheaper than what a one raff sink sunk into his movie about the towpath murder of Mary Pinchot may she rest in peace. Ever seen it? omg…

[Brian Doyle]

Geesh, that's quite a fantasy you've manufactured there, Brian. Has anybody purchased the movie rights yet? After all, make-believe wild fantasies like the one you've spun in your above post are sometimes big box-office hits. Good luck.

It belongs on The Education Forum because it cracks the conspiracy in the Depository...It is sick that that the reason this cracking of the case is not posted on The Education Forum is because the site is run by persons lying and saying they uphold the strictest academic standards when in fact they are upholding personal relationships and favoritism enforced by friends who happen to have a moderator avatar...

As you can see, although everything written there is trace-able to the known evidence, Mr Von Pein is not able to offer any substantial refutation of any of the main facts...The main researchers had all this in their hands up to now...They just needed to go that one extra step and resolve it the rest of the way...It is pathetic that the reason they didn't do this, and the reason they keep it off The Education forum now, is so they can serve the kook researcher Bart Kamp and therefore prevent a solving of the case...You can literally solve the assassination in front of these people and they will ignore it, keep you banned, and continue to clear a path for a punk hack like Kamp...

Ask Mr Von Pein to answer why no authority pursued Lovelady and grilled him on why he didn't tell of this witnessing of Oswald leaving through the front door to any of the original 1963 investigators?...

[Brian Doyle]

There is zero evidence anybody on the front steps or anywhere else in front of or inside the TSBD had anything to do with the assassination other than the obvious one, Lee Harvey Oswald. Everything else are figments of your imagination. The fact that people like you have to sift through all these trivialities to make a case for a conspiracy is indicative of how pathetically weak that case is.

It fits like tight brick work and cracks the case...

It isn't the Lone Nutters who prevent this final cracking of the case...It is the DiEugenio Education Forum clique under DiEugenio suck-up Andrew Iler and their hypocritical censorship...The Prayer Man cult of personality and website pecking order...

You guys are beaten...