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Author Topic: Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence  (Read 763 times)

Online Michael T. Griffith

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I don't come here for humor. What entails your research to dispute his? I've yet to see you do it or show it in this thread. I don't know why I'm responding because it appears you're just arrogant enough to feel like it's benneath you to counter. How about countering instead of the personal attacks? We should just assume everyone on this site is familiar with your research on this subject?

Definition of Research. Research is a systematic and intentional process of investigation designed to discover new knowledge, validate existing theories, or solve specific problems. It relies on structured methodologies to collect, analyze, and interpret data, ultimately contributing to a broader or generalizable understanding of a topic

Lance Payette has no published research to cite. He's published nothing on the JFK case--no books, no articles, online or otherwise. He maintains no website on the case. He merely bounces around from forum to forum on his crusade to uphold his minority view that JFK was killed by a lone gunman.

On previous occasions, he has actually said that anyone who believes JFK was killed by a conspiracy suffers from a form of mental illness because they must have a malfunctioning brain, defective neural pathways, a warped mind, etc., etc.


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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not the facts. No different in JFKA.

Online Michael T. Griffith

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not the facts. No different in JFKA.

Oh, I agree. The issue is that Lance Payette not only pretends to be an expert but goes to the extreme of questioning the mental capacity and integrity of anyone who disagrees with him, including genuine experts who've been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and who've been studying the JFK case for years.

Recently he accused Dr. David Mantik of being a "character" who sees things that no one else sees, when in fact many scholars have endorsed Dr. Mantik's research and when Dr. Mantik is one of the most highly qualified experts to ever examine the JFK case. Payette also recently made unsavory attacks against Greg Doudna, one of the most honest, respected, and careful JFKA researchers of all time, accusing him of having "loose screws," of being part of the "lunatic fringe," and of not caring if his argument "makes sense."

Such unseemly verbiage is considered inexcusable and juvenile even coming from a genuine expert; it is even more discrediting and inexcusable coming from an amateur who hasn't published a single book or article on the case and who doesn't even maintain a website on the subject.

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Oh, I agree. The issue is that Lance Payette not only pretends to be an expert but goes to the extreme of questioning the mental capacity and integrity of anyone who disagrees with him, including genuine experts who've been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals and who've been studying the JFK case for years.

Recently he accused Dr. David Mantik of being a "character" who sees things that no one else sees, when in fact many scholars have endorsed Dr. Mantik's research and when Dr. Mantik is one of the most highly qualified experts to ever examine the JFK case. Payette also recently made unsavory attacks against Greg Doudna, one of the most honest, respected, and careful JFKA researchers of all time, accusing him of having "loose screws," of being part of the "lunatic fringe," and of not caring if his argument "makes sense."

Such unseemly verbiage is considered inexcusable and juvenile even coming from a genuine expert; it is even more discrediting and inexcusable coming from an amateur who hasn't published a single book or article on the case and who doesn't even maintain a website on the subject.

You just accused someone else of being an amateur??? My irony meter is starting to smoke. I think you fried the motherboard with that statement.

Just what do you think you have accomplished over the past 35 years of pontificating on the JFKA. Your BS hasn't improved one iota. It has just become more voluminous. 50 years from now, nobody will even know or care about your efforts. For that matter, few people even care now.

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You just accused someone else of being an amateur??? My irony meter is starting to smoke. I think you fried the motherboard with that statement.

Actually, my point was that if someone is falsely claiming to be an expert when they haven't published a single book or article on the case and don't even maintain a website on the case, they shouldn't spew extreme attacks on genuine experts and respected researchers, and they should especially avoid going so far off the deep end as to claim that anyone who disagrees with them suffers from mental illness.

Just what do you think you have accomplished over the past 35 years of pontificating on the JFKA. Your BS hasn't improved one iota. It has just become more voluminous. 50 years from now, nobody will even know or care about your efforts. For that matter, few people even care now.

You really are a rude, petty, angry person, aren't you? You wouldn't know valid research from a hole in the ground. You are one of the most poorly read, biased, and unserious WC apologists on the Internet. I have already caught you in so many inexcusable gaffes and blunders that I've long since lost count of them, but since you never admit when you're wrong, you just keep on plugging away anyway.


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Actually, my point was that if someone is falsely claiming to be an expert when they haven't published a single book or article on the case and don't even maintain a website on the case, they shouldn't spew extreme attacks on genuine experts and respected researchers, and they should especially avoid going so far off the deep end as to claim that anyone who disagrees with them suffers from mental illness.

You really are a rude, petty, angry person, aren't you?

You just called me a rude, petty, angry person. You don't see the irony in that statement? You have hurled other insults my way as well but it doesn't bother me in the least. I am hardly angry. I participate here for amusement only. I have enough aggravation in my life without having to search for more in online forums.

Rude? Guilty as charged. I believe in speaking my mind and I don't try to sugar coat it. I'm as subtle as a punch in the mouth when expressing my opinions.
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You wouldn't know valid research from a hole in the ground. You are one of the most poorly read, biased, and unserious WC apologists on the Internet. I have already caught you in so many inexcusable gaffes and blunders that I've long since lost count of them, but since you never admit when you're wrong, you just keep on plugging away anyway.

I know enough to easily shoot down your silly ideas. Not that it's hard to do that. There really isn't much sport in it.

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An important point that I did not include in the OP is the fact that the autopsy evidence shows two separate, disconnected wound paths in the brain, i.e., the subcortical and cortical damage to JFK's brain. There is no wound path or fragment trail between these two wound paths—in other words, these are two separate, unconnected wound paths. The cortical damage is near the very top of the skull; it is close to the high fragment trail and is on the outer (or cortical) surface of the brain. The subcortical wound path is nearly 2 inches below the cortical damage and spans the length of the brain from front to back. The first expert to note these two separate wound paths was Dr. Joseph Riley, a neuroscientist who specialized in neuroanatomy.

British researcher Martin Hay has said the following on this issue:

. . . There were two separate and distinct areas of damage to the President’s brain, in the cortical and subcortical regions, and “no evidence of continuity” between the two. “An entrance wound located in the posteromedial parietal area cannot account for the subcortical damage. An entrance wound in the occipital region, as determined by the autopsy prosectors, may account for the subcortical damage but cannot account for the dorsolateral cortical damage.” As Dr. Riley concluded, “The cortical and subcortical wounds are anatomically distinct and could not have been produced by a single bullet. The fundamental conclusion is inescapable: John Kennedy’s head wounds could not have been caused by one bullet.” (https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/robert-a-wagner-the-assassination-of-jfk-perspectives-half-a-century-later)

The cortical damage was described in detail by the HSCA FPP (7 HSCA 131). The subcortical damage was described in detail by the autopsy doctors in the supplemental autopsy report (CE 391, p. 1). Incredibly, however, the HSCA FPP never specifically described the subcortical damage, and the autopsy doctors said nothing about the cortical damage! More on this in a minute.

In his article “The Head Wounds of John Kennedy: One Bullet Cannot Account for the Injuries,” Dr. Riley explained the problem posed for the lone-gunman theory by these two separate areas of damage:

In addition to the cortical damage just described, there was massive subcortical damage. This subcortical damage was far more extensive in terms of volume of tissue damaged than the damage to the superficial cerebral cortex. In non-technical language, in addition to damage to the outside layer of the brain, there was massive damage deep inside as well, extending the entire anterior-posterior length of the brain. . . .

To understand this damage, it is important to keep several points in mind. First, when a bullet passes through the brain, it causes many types of damage in addition to direct mechanical damage from the missile. The multiple factors that can cause this additional damage need not be described here. The point, however, is that this wound may be viewed as a "cylinder of disruption" with a radius of approximately one inch that extends from back to front and passes through the center of the brain. . . .

Even the most superficial examination of the evidence demonstrates that the high entrance wound cannot account for all of the posterior subcortical damage, yet the Panel [the HSCA FPP] provides no explanation or analysis of the subcortical wounds. It is difficult to understand how a panel of competent forensic pathologists could have ignored the subcortical damage in their report. Clearly, the "high" entrance wound does not and cannot account for the observed subcortical damage. (“The Head Wounds of John Kennedy: One Bullet Cannot Account for the Injuries,” The Third Decade, March 1993, pp. 10-11, 14, http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/R Disk/Riley Joe/Item 04.pdf)


Dr. Riley phrased it this way in his article “What Struck John”:

In the HSCA trajectory, the bullet path is restricted to the outer (cortical) surface, almost tangent to the brain. Yet there is a cavitation wound along the length of the brain, deep and parallel to the cortical surface. . . . The cavitation wound corresponds exactly to a trajectory predicted from the observations of the autopsy prosectors [i.e., the EOP entry site’s trajectory].

The exit wound is not and cannot be located where the HSCA Forensics Panel places it. Similarly, the autopsy photographs show intact cerebral cortex at where government panels have claimed there was a "high" entrance wound. (https://kenrahn.com/Marsh/Autopsy/riley.html))


Dr. Riley also noted that the EOP entry site described in the autopsy report cannot account of for all the fragments and the damage to the cerebral cortex (i.e., the outer layer of brain tissue/the cerebrum’s outer layer):

The fragments distributed in and the damage to the cerebral cortex cannot be due to the shot described by Humes et al.; the wounds are discontinuous. (https://kenrahn.com/Marsh/Autopsy/riley.html)

Here is one of Dr. Riley’s diagrams of the subcortical damage from his article “The Head Wounds of John Kennedy: One Bullet Cannot Account for the Injuries”:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f3TWcg1KIC_lyQNEJoCpxrsB5zf-ozZQ/view?usp=sharing

Curiously, but not surprisingly, the HSCA FPP gave only a brief, superficial description of the subcortical damage, a description that, incredibly, gave the reader no idea that the damage was subcortical, i.e., that it was well below the cortical damage (7 HSCA 129). On the other hand, the autopsy doctors said nothing about the cortical damage, just as they said nothing about the high fragment trail.

Why these glaring omissions? Because the HSCA FPP and the autopsy doctors were only willing to acknowledge one bullet strike to the head and thus only one entry site. To make matters worse, the HSCA FPP refused to deal with evidence that contradicted the now-debunked cowlick entry site, and the autopsy doctors refused to deal with evidence that contradicted the EOP entry site.

Some might be curious to know what leading WC apologists have said about the two clearly separate cortical and subcortical wound paths in the brain. The answer: Nothing. Not one word. Vincent Bugliosi said nothing about them in his error-riddled tome Reclaiming History. Similarly, Gerald Posner says nothing about them in his mistitled propaganda book Case Closed.
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