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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 03:25:32 AM »
Well, this is a long read..but for those interested in LHO as G2 or KGB asset....


There is an interesting footnote in “The Man Who Knew Too Much,” a book largely about Richard Case Nagell, written by veteran JFKA researcher Dick Russell:

“A May 15, 1973, memo in the files of researcher Richard Popkin recounts a conversation with former CIA official Victor Marchetti in which Marchetti reportedly offered "a theory he claimed to have heard that fits with his own picture of the chaos in the CIA; namely that the KGB has infiltrated the CIA and the CIA has infiltrated the KGB so it is impossible at the present stage to tell who is who (he mentioned a case of having been sent to meet somebody and being shown all sorts of identification and then being totally unable to tell whether he was dealing with a U.S. or Russian agent). Marchetti thinks it is the KGB branch of the CIA that killed Kennedy and that the U.S. CIA is too embarrassed to investigate and reveal the real state of affairs."

This long-ago revelation of Marchetti’s, now more than five decades old, has been re-vivified in recent years by John Newman’s book, “Uncovering Popov’s Mole,” which posits that senior CIA’er Bruce Solie was a KGB asset, and was running LHO.

For background on Marchetti, see https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmarchetti.htm. Some of you old heads may have memories jogged: Richard Popkin authored “The Second Oswald,” in 1966.

It is difficult to challenge Marchetti’s observations as the mere fluff of armchair historian or conspiracy buff.

Marchetti first worked for Army Intelligence in 1951, attended college, and then joined the CIA in 1955, rising to senior positions before retiring in 1969, and thereafter, perhaps most famously, writing about the JFKA for the dubious Liberty Lobby’s “The Spotlight” publication.

Marchetti’s also wrote the book “The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence,” and appears to have bona fides as an earnest JFKA researcher, and one who had actual “street cred.”

Marchetti’s and Newman’s observations also resonate with the narrative of still-enigmatic Richard Case Nagell, who claimed to be a double-agent (US-Soviet) who was assigned to interdict LHO’s mission, on assignment from Moscow, to assassinate JFK.

In 1992, Carl Oglesby, the nearly iconic leftist and author of many books, including several on the JFKA, authored a forward to Russell’s book, in which he wrote, “We do not yet know for example, whether Oswald was being run by the CIA or KGB, by the ONI or GRU or some as of yet unknown bureau of the Cold War, one side of the other. Nor do we know for a fact who Oswald himself believed was running him. All we may guess at, according to Russell, is that what Oswald believed to be true and the actual truth might in fact have been two very different things.”

There are other murky details linking Lee Harvey Oswald to the KGB, especially the Russian intel agency in Minsk, less than a half-half-mile from where LHO lived for two years while in the Soviet Union.

A KGB officer there said that he “ran” LHO, and that Marina Oswald has been a KGB asset, but that she snapped her ties to the spy agency after marrying LHO and going to the US.

From CIA files:

“IJDECANTER (a CIA asset) knew Yurshak as Belorussian KGB in Minsk in the early 1980s. Yurshak was in his late 50s then. When asked if Yurshak was bragging, he said, "no...I think that 100 percent he was involved in this Oswald case...He was stuck to his one point of view. First, never had any kind of task for Oswald to kill Kennedy. Second, that he was actually recruited and he ran him. And third, Marina was our swallow and then she rejected cooperation.”

Of course, just as one might suspect the CIA would scrub its files of connections to LHO, so one would expect the KGB or Belarus intel agencies to do the same.

Gimlet-eyed fans and critics of the “limited hangout” defense-tactic might believe this KGB admission that it was running LHO, but not involved in the JFKA, was in that category of dissembling.   

Add to the bubbling stew the more-recent book “Operation Dragon” written by former CIA Director James Woolsey in 2021, along with former Romanian intel officer Ion Mihai Pacepa. The pair posit that LHO was KGB asset, had been brainwashed in Russia to perp the JFKA. Curiously, Woolsey and Pacepa echo Nagell’s narrative, that officials in Moscow wanted to recall LHO, but could not.

Of course, one could dismiss Woolsey’s book as written with a Cold War agenda in mind; indeed, it is the reverse mirror image of the Old Guard Left Wing and present-day MAGA-Moscow narratives of the JFKA, that blame the CIA and Western globalist cabals for the president’s murder.

In JFKA-land, too often the ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.

But there is more on LHO as a KGB asset: During his visit to Mexico City in late September 1963, LHO met Valerie Kostikov, senior KGB’er said to be in charge of “wet work’ in the Western Hemisphere. Yes, that includes assassinations. (There were two other KGB’ers who met with LHO at the same time, all were filmed and recorded for a 1993 PBS special, in which they confirmed they met the real LHO).

Not only that, it is now known that Kostikov had assets in the US, assets that Kostikov also met down in Mexico.

“Kostikov himself was a known Soviet intelligence agent, suspected of contact with covert Soviet assets, including Americans, operating inside the United States. He had been under CIA observation and surveillance in Mexico City, as well as during his travels in Mexico, and was known to have met with a Soviet asset (designated as “Tumbleweed”/a European then living in the United States) that the FBI was monitoring inside the United States. As recently as September 1963, Kostikov had even been placed under surveillance while traveling in northern Mexico,” report Larry Hancock and David Boylan in their recent superb book, “The Oswald Puzzle.”

There is also a curious snippet from a man named Bill Trousdale, who happened to share a train from Helsinki into Russia with LHO. Fellow Americans, the pair bantered a bit on the train.

According the JFK Facts, “Trousdale saw Oswald get special treatment from the Russian border guards: “At the border my bags were given pretty thorough going over,” Trousdale wrote, “but they scarcely looked at Lee’s.’”

Was LHO already a de facto KGB asset, and waved through the border?

(It should be noted that Alan Dale recently related, within the EF-JFKA forum, that Newman does not suspect LHO of a role in the JFKA. Additionally Hancock and Boylan do not regard LHO as a suspect in the JFKA, although he may have been manipulated in surrounding events.)

A circumspect JFKA assassination buff does not blithely challenge John Newman, nor Larry Hancock and David Boylan, the latter two who contend LHO was not a CIA asset, but only a misfit and a Marxist who wanted transit to Cuba. All three are serious researchers, intelligent, earnest and non-partisan, and appear lacking in agendas and biases—the best investigators we have, IMHO.

And now Newman says Solie, KGB mole, may have been running LHO, and Hancock and Boylan say LHO was not a CIA asset. Or anyone’s asset.

And yet—how it is possible to understand the JFKA without explaining LHO’s involvement in the JFKA?

LHO's behavior, in the immediate-post JFKA moments, was of one who was complicit, or believed he had been framed. And indeed, LHO did not say he must be a victim of circumstance, or he must have only matched the description of a JFKA and Tippit-killer suspect. Instead, addressing reporters, LHO himself said he was a "patsy." 

Bur after 60 years of researchers hunting for the CIA’s operational connection to LHO or the JFKA, why has nobody found one?

One might also ponder why does the pub crawler, returning to home at night, look for his lost keys under the street lamps? Because that’s where the light is. But perhaps not where the keys are.

JFKA researchers pursue leads under the CIA street lamp—because there is no light under the KGB street lamp, or that of G-2, the Cuban intel service said to have riddled the leaky Cuban exile community with agents (or double agents). But the keys could be there, in the dark.

Even Marchetti, embedded with the CIA during the very years that, some contend, elements with the agency had plotted JFK’s demise, was unsure if the CIA had been involved in the JFKA, or CIA assets working for the KGB.

Angleton

As noted by many, James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s counterintelligence chief and putative mole-hunter, was the WC’s main contact or source of information at the intel agency. This has raised suspicions, but also makes sense in light of the observations of Newman and Marchetti.

If LHO was being run by KGB moles inside the CIA, then it would be Angleton who could best find that out, and massage information flowing to the WC to hide that reality—as suggested by Marchetti.

The dubious appointment of Allen Dulles to the WC also might explained as the CIA wanting to close off inquires into KGB infiltration of the CIA, and Russian links to LHO. Was the CIA sitting on a power-keg—KGB operatives within the CIA had manipulated LHO?

Conclusion

At the end of the day, there are many captivating versions of the JFKA, both LN and CT, but none compelling. There are as many JFKA narratives as there are narrators.

The problem started on 11/22, when LHO’s confederates (I suspect he had two) were not apprehended, and the problem was compounded on 11/24, when LHO was murdered. Dead men tell no tales.

The only JFKA suspect known beyond reasonable doubt to be in Dealey Plaza on 11/22 was LHO, so this leaves open speculation as to the ID of his co-conspirators or manipulators.

Serious researchers have ventured LHO’s confederates or handlers on 11/22 were Mafia, CIA, KGB, G-2, working for LBJ, anti-Castro exiles, splinter groups such as Alpha 66, or former spook Ed Lansdale on a revenge mission for the Kennedy Administration-backed Diem assassinations.

After 60 years of reading about the JFKA, and maybe a dozen years reading primary documents, I have never reached a conclusion. Or perhaps I have reached many conclusions, but none really hold water.

CIA files may be opening up (with exceptions). It is an interesting time.

Great caution is urged on the use of KGB files. Moscow and Tehran have been busy in promoting JFKA narratives in recent years.

In the murky world of the JFKA, I am only certain that nothing in the KGB files will show that LHO was an actual, or de facto, Russian asset.

Online Tom Graves

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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 05:52:50 AM »
I picked this up from one of my old posts at City Data Forum. I had forgotten about it.

Stanislau Shushkevich, who became the first President of Belarus after the collapse of the USSR, had been assigned to teach Russian to Oswald at the radio factory in Minsk (where my wife's sister and brother-in-law worked at the same time).

This is a long and pretty interesting interview from 2013 by Radio Free Europe. Shushkevich and the other instructor were, for some reason, under unbelievably strict orders as to what they could discuss with Oswald. Nevertheless, it sounds like they had a fairly informal and pleasant relationship. It sounds like he found Oswald a pretty dull and uninteresting/uninterested character.

When Norman Mailer visited Belarus and asked to see the KGB files, he (as President) asked the chairman of the KGB if he needed to be careful. The answer: "Absolutely not. Show him everything."

After the JFKA, he visited the Dallas area for other reasons. He's a CTer! "It is my absolute conviction that they found a passive, calm, compliant boy, and used him as the guilty one. As for the conclusions of the Warren Commission, I don't believe them one bit. I have studied them and I don't think [the assassination] was the work of my student."

https://www.rferl.org/a/interview-transcript-oswald-shushkevich-belarus-soviet/25172632.html

Former citizens of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact, especially those who were in a position of authority during the Cold War, always tell the truth!!!

Take "former" KGB officer Oleg Nechiporenko, for example, whose 1993 book, "Passport to Assassination," although ostensibly about the author's interactions with Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City two months before the assassination, devotes fifty pages to Tennent H. Bagley, (false defector) Yuri Nosenko's primary CIA case officer from 1962 to 1967, and goes into great detail describing what an incompetent and sadistic man he was!!!
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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 12:50:19 PM »
A KGB officer there said that he “ran” LHO, and that Marina Oswald has been a KGB asset, but that she snapped her ties to the spy agency after marrying LHO and going to the US.

Alas, people who knew them intimately, on a daily basis, saw absolutely no evidence of any of this. Quite the contrary. So many of these CT tales not only require Oswald and Marina to have been two completely different people from the young couple those who knew them best knew them to be but also to have had at least an additional 12 hours in every day to live these shadowy alter lives. As I've said previously, Oswald's apartment was in one of the premier locations in Minsk, "near" damn near everything. The supposed "proximity" to a KGB school is completely irrelevant. No one ever saw him enter, exit, talk about or pay any attention to this KGB school. Never mind that this "KGB officer's" tale is contradicted by every shred of actual evidence, it has instant credibility because it fits some goofy CT narrative.

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Add to the bubbling stew the more-recent book “Operation Dragon” written by former CIA Director James Woolsey in 2021, along with former Romanian intel officer Ion Mihai Pacepa. The pair posit that LHO was KGB asset, had been brainwashed in Russia to perp the JFKA. Curiously, Woolsey and Pacepa echo Nagell’s narrative, that officials in Moscow wanted to recall LHO, but could not.

Woolsey was CIA Director for less than two years in the mid-1990s. He had no particular involvement with the intelligence community and certainly none with the JFKA. His work was shredded as lunatic fringe stuff by CIA analysts ("But of course!" say the CTers). It is pure unadulterated speculation thrown out there to fit a larger narrative.

"Brainwashed in Russia to perp the JFKA." What does this even MEAN? Not only is there not a shred of evidence of this, not only is it contradicted by the actual evidence, but what does it even MEAN? This sounds like the sort of goofy thing our local KGB-obsessed loon would say about the KGB supermen who live inside his head.


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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 01:13:12 PM »
It occurred to me this morning that probably the best analogy for Oswald is the kid whom everyone agrees was pretty dull and harmless but who becomes radicalized within a fairly short period and commits some horrific act of Islamic terrorism that no one who knew him previously can quite believe. Yes, we can see the seeds of strangeness throughout Oswald's life, but it does seem that in 1963 he became increasingly radicalized in the direction of Cuba, either through self-radicalization or through association with others in New Orleans and/or Mexico City. A turn toward radicalism culminating in the JFKA strikes me as FAR more plausible than any scenario that has him as a KGB or CIA operative extending back to his defection or earlier. The general downward spiral of his life in 1963 would, of course, be an additional factor. Probably the psychological literature as to how young people can pretty quickly become radicalized would be a more fruitful place to look than the dark musings of people like Newman, Morley, et al.

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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 02:10:21 PM »
From (below) Norman Mailer's book "Oswald's Tale." "Libezin" was the Communist Party Secretary at the factory where they worked.

From this account I can't see how Shuskevich could get much of a "read" on Oswald the person, on what made him tick. Enough to say, as he did, that it's impossible that "his student" shot JFK. As he admitted, he and Oswald had a sort of formal teacher-student relationship; they never discussed personal matters, they simply worked on learning Russian. Oswald the person had to be a mystery to him.

But it's also true that the people in Minsk that Mailer interviewed who knew Oswald said they simply couldn't believe he could assassinate the President. He simply didn't have that makeup or character. I think they are right. Oswald changed dramatically when he came back to the US. His life was falling apart, his mistreatment of Marina worsened, he couldn't find a decent job, he had to rely on charity or unemployment checks. He was failing miserably. Desperate men do desperate things.


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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 05:10:34 PM »
Yes, Mailer's summary seems pretty consistent with what Shuskevich himself said. I assume Shushkevich was just projecting from the fact that Oswald seemed so dull, unimaginative and compliant. The other interviews with those who did know Oswald and Marina personally are more telling. It was kind of interesting that no one (i.e., KGB) ever questioned Shushkevich or the others about Oswald and that he took some good-natured ribbing about being arrested after the JFKA. I really think the truth is pretty much what Mailer and everyone else who looks into the tale concludes: Oswald was just a goofball who was puzzling and even somewhat humorous to the Soviets but of no great interest.

FWIW, the rumors around the radio factory during Oswald's employment there, as relayed to me by my sister-in-law, had him being way more in-your-face lazy and uninterested in the work than comes through in some of the sources. He also mocked much of the factory routine, which would scarcely make sense for a false defector. It might make sense for an increasingly disaffected goofball, but one would logically expect a false defector to at least try to fit in. I thought the one interview hit the nail on the head with Oswald enjoying his "American defector" celebrity status for about six months but becoming increasingly unhappy as that wore off and he was now just another factory grunt in one of the duller outposts of the USSR.

I've mentioned before the extreme security at the factory. My sister-in-law worked in the "military" part as a technical illustrator, never having any idea what she was illustrating. All workers were checked every day as they exited the factory, down to the level of examining the contents of purses. Oswald worked in the "experimental shop," where they basically made prototypes (of anything, mostly household items). Ernst Titovets describes an incident of Oswald bringing home a tube-like device that Titovets later learned was part of a military radar unit. Oswald discussed with Titovets how one might make a bomb from the tube and then never mentioned it again. This incident would have been IMPOSSIBLE unless Oswald had been allowed to steal the tube just to see what he would do with it. I have to assume the "bomb" discussion was in a joking vein because Oswald knew damn well his apartment was bugged by the KGB. The whole thing is bizarre - but again, not the behavior of any sane CIA-operative false defector. If the Soviets hadn't been puzzled and somewhat amused by this goof, stealing part of a radar device could have got Oswald sent to Siberia for several unpleasant years.
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Online Tom Graves

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Re: The first President of Belarus taught Oswald Russian in Minsk
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 05:49:01 PM »
When Norman Mailer visited Belarus and asked to see the KGB files, Shuskevich, as President, asked the chairman of the KGB if he needed to be careful. The answer: "Absolutely not. Show him everything."

This reminds me of how Gerald Posner befriended false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, Yuri "The KGB Had Absolutely Nothing to Do with Former Marine Sharpshooter and U-2 Radar Operator Oswald in the USSR" Nosenko because he was telling him what he wanted to hear.

LOL!