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Offline Tommy Shanks

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2026, 07:45:31 PM »
James Gordon was the owner, and just told us a couple of years ago he wasn't going to have any more dealings with it,and was going to let it go. he did not care what would happen to it.Sandy was head of funding but has passed. Simkin was back, but since James refused to sign it over to anyone, the Forum was unable to remain.

While I see that Dr. Niederhut was a problem to many of you, the sad part of the Forum's absence was that for years, many JFK authors etc, had posted there. Whether LN or CT, that Forum was a great resource.

I have been gone for quite awhile, and just received an email from one of the Admins that it was gone.  I wish it would have been archived, at least. 

They say the internet is forever, but I don't know how to retrieve it. Invision will not let anyone but Gordon make decisions on it, and God only knows where he is.

Kathy, W Niederhut is a pox on that forum based on the catch up reading I have been doing. Hard to believe someone let him run amok for so long like that. Do you believe James Gordon could have passed away ?

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2026, 04:02:12 PM »
I don't know.  He was pretty much hell bent on letting the Forum go, and wouldn't help us get it on our name.

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2026, 01:02:39 AM »
Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2026, 01:04:51 AM »
Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.

Charlie Kirk was a pure as the driven snow.

Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 03:15:59 PM »
WOW! Just WOW! If anyone would care to see what NiederNut in full flight looks like, check out the last couple of pages of this thread. Led by James Wilkinson, a number of the members have turned on the illustrious Harvard-trained psychiatrist, and he does not handle it well. Wilkinson ends up thanking God that he isn't one of the good doctor's patients. This is Exhibit A for what I am always talking about - i.e., intelligent, highly educated, able to hold a responsible position but pretty much nuttier than a fruitcake in assorted compartments of his mind. One would hope that Some CTers We Could Mention would have the introspection to look in the mirror and ask, "Good God, is this perhaps me as well?" Or at least look at some of the high-profile hucksters of their pet theories and ask, "Eek, is this guy perhaps just another NiederNut?"

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32104-the-current-state-of-the-jfk-education-forum/

Offline Tommy Shanks

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 03:40:55 PM »
WOW! Just WOW! If anyone would care to see what NiederNut in full flight looks like, check out the last couple of pages of this thread. Led by James Wilkinson, a number of the members have turned on the illustrious Harvard-trained psychiatrist, and he does not handle it well. Wilkinson ends up thanking God that he isn't one of the good doctor's patients. This is Exhibit A for what I am always talking about - i.e., intelligent, highly educated, able to hold a responsible position but pretty much nuttier than a fruitcake in assorted compartments of his mind. One would hope that Some CTers We Could Mention would have the introspection to look in the mirror and ask, "Good God, is this perhaps me as well?" Or at least look at some of the high-profile hucksters of their pet theories and ask, "Eek, is this guy perhaps just another NiederNut?"

https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32104-the-current-state-of-the-jfk-education-forum/

Lance.. wow.. just wow. Duncan really deserves an extra thanks for fostering an environment thankfully devoid of crap like what's going on at that other forum.

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Re: Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Reply #20 on: Today at 12:55:35 AM »
EF-JFKA participant James Wilkinson defines William Niedernut's role as moderator at the forum thusly:

If this is indeed The Current State of the JFK Education Forum, then perhaps it is for the best if it can’t be continued. Provided a way is figured out to preserve its decades of rich, insightful discussions, of course.

If I were an intel agent tasked with disrupting this board’s ability to collaborate on new leads and other developments, I wouldn’t waste my resources on lone-nut defenders, not when there are plenty of them who do so out of good faith.

No, I’d direct my asset to fixate on 9/11 Truther narratives to the exclusion of any other topic, including the one purportedly at hand, sowing redundant rounds of division and name-calling at the slightest prompt. I’d want them to otherwise toe the line when it comes to popular JFK conspiracy theories so they’d amass enough credibility to angle for a moderator role.

Because with the authority to ban contributors while deleting their allegedly offending posts, that asset could then also ban anyone who criticizes their Stalinesque abuses of authority.

By the time they’re ever sidelined as moderator, the damage will have already been done.

Now I don’t really think William is an asset tasked with chaos and disruption on this Forum. That’s not the point.

The point is that if I were in the position to run such an operative, that hypothetical asset couldn’t have done a better job than what William’s actually managed here in real life. If one’s behavior is indistinguishable from that of a hypothetical saboteur, after all, then isn’t the distinction between those alternatives one that’s without a meaningful difference?

Say what one will about a witting saboteur, but at least they actually accomplish what they aim to do, because at least they know what they’re doing.

He continues to defend Holocaust denier Ron Unz from that description in the face of well-supported evidence—now by insinuating that there’s some sort of cryptic significance to the use of the 6-million-Jews figure before the war.

And hardly anyone but myself bothers to challenge this odiousness. When we’re reduced to arguing over the definition of Holocaust denialism, the denialists have already won the debate.

It’s a fitting end, really, to what was for so long an extraordinary project. But everything has its own lifecycle. Once any message board drifts into tolerance of Holocaust denial, it’s usually a sure symptom of the inevitable.

It’s all the more ironic that the most disruptive elements dedicate their time and efforts toward this end unwittingly, free of charge. At least it could be argued that they’re saving the taxpayers some money, I suppose.

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. Indeed.


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On target.

The question is, why did EF-JFKA founder John Simkin sit on his hands for months and months as Niedernut (in addition to other defects, Niedernut a WWII holocaust-denier) destroyed the EF-JFKA?

The latest word is that the legal owner, or legal operator (I can't tell which), of the EF-JFKA, named James Gordon, has been located. Evidently, the EF-JFKA had plenty of money in a Go Fund Me till, but was not paying the site's host. No one seems to know where the money is now, or how to pay the site's web-host.

Steps have been taken to preserve the EF-JFKA's content for heritage. I guess that includes the demented rantings of William Niedernut. There is endless bickering and sniping even yet among EF-JFKA participants.

My advice to JFK Assassination Forum participants: Don't go down the sniping road. Be collegial. Don't insult. If you have a different point of views, respectfully express them. Confine your present-day political rants to the "U.S. And International Politics" thread.

Among the many mistakes Simkin made was starting numerous threads on present-day topics, evidently as he wanted a sounding board for his views. This led to un-ending gangbang-juvenalia on Trump. But anyone can read anti-Trump blabber anywhere on the 'net in profusion. So why did the EF-JFKA exist?