CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility

[Lance Payette]

This old recreation of the Discovery Channel's "Beyond the Magic Bullet," which ended up with the bullet going Where It's Not Supposed to Go (i.e., JFK's sternum), recently received some discussion at the Ed Forum.

I also noticed that Larry Schnapf, who works closely with John Orr, says Orr's latest work shows the Mafia bullet being fired from the County Records building. You may recall that Orr sponsored the Knott Lab study of the bullet trajectories but then rejected the results (not because they confirmed the SBT, because they didn't).

Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! 

[John Corbett]

It is absurd to think any shooting can be perfectly replicated because there are so many variables involved. For starters, you would need to shoot the same two men who were originally shot, have them in precisely the same position they were in at the time the single bullet struck, and have the shot placed precisely where the original shot struck. Good luck with that. Any deviation is going to produce different results. Elements of the SBT can be tested and have been. We know the 6.5mm round fired by Oswald's Carcano is capable of penetrating 3 feet of pine board as demonstrated for the PBS Nova program by the father/son ballistics team of Luke and Michael Haag. The also showed that a Carcano bullet passing through ballistic gel simulating human flesh will predictably tumble upon exit. This explains why the nose of the bullet was not severely damaged because it was the base of the bullet which was flattened.

You aren't focusing on plausibility when you expect a shooting to be perfectly replicated.

[Lance Payette]

It is absurd to think any shooting can be perfectly replicated because there are so many variables involved. For starters, you would need to shoot the same two men who were originally shot, have them in precisely the same position they were in at the time the single bullet struck, and have the shot placed precisely where the original shot struck. Good luck with that. Any deviation is going to produce different results. Elements of the SBT can be tested and have been. We know the 6.5mm round fired by Oswald's Carcano is capable of penetrating 3 feet of pine board as demonstrated for the PBS Nova program by the father/son ballistics team of Luke and Michael Haag. The also showed that a Carcano bullet passing through ballistic gel simulating human flesh will predictably tumble upon exit. This explains why the nose of the bullet was not severely damaged because it was the base of the bullet which was flattened.

You aren't focusing on plausibility when you expect a shooting to be perfectly replicated.

Yes, but that is also true with the SBT, as I have pointed out many times even when wearing my full LN regalia. Those who insist on the SBT pretend to a level of certainty that simply isn't possible. I was impressed myself by the pine board, but that really bears no resemblance to bone impact. The alignment of the back wound and throat wound and the holes in the clothing are a puzzle, hence the "bunched clothing" argument. ("They aren't a puzzle - they are IMPOSSIBLE!" shrieks Cliff Varnell.) Anyway, I'll await whatever the latest Orr-sponsored study says.

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[John Corbett]

Yes, but that is also true with the SBT, as I have pointed out many times even when wearing my full LN regalia. Those who insist on the SBT pretend to a level of certainty that simply isn't possible. I was impressed myself by the pine board, but that really bears no resemblance to bone impact. The alignment of the back wound and throat wound and the holes in the clothing are a puzzle, hence the "bunched clothing" argument. ("They aren't a puzzle - they are IMPOSSIBLE!" shrieks Cliff Varnell.) Anyway, I'll await whatever the latest Orr-sponsored study says.

Below: Full LN regalia. There are several sellers on eBay. No, that's not me, for crying out loud.

You do what CTs have been doing for decades. You claim the SBT is impossible without ever explaining why you think it is impossible.

[Lance Payette]

You do what CTs have been doing for decades. You claim the SBT is impossible without ever explaining why you think it is impossible.

Please read just a little more carefully before you fire off your knee-jerk responses. I have never suggested for one nanosecond I thought the SBT was impossible. I believe it is problematical but could certainly be correct. Cliff Varnell always insists the alignment of the wounds and the holes in the clothing is IMPOSSIBLE, CASE CLOSED, NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU'RE JUST STUPID IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE!!! My reference to Cliff was an inside joke for those who have followed his longstanding rant. But because you are a fundamentalist quasi-religious LN zealot, you fire off your knee-jerk fundamentalist quasi-religious LN zealot responses without even reading carefully. You are as whacked-out as any CTer I've ever encountered.

[Jarrett Smith]

This old recreation of the Discovery Channel's "Beyond the Magic Bullet," which ended up with the bullet going Where It's Not Supposed to Go (i.e., JFK's sternum), recently received some discussion at the Ed Forum.

I also noticed that Larry Schnapf, who works closely with John Orr, says Orr's latest work shows the Mafia bullet being fired from the County Records building. You may recall that Orr sponsored the Knott Lab study of the bullet trajectories but then rejected the results (not because they confirmed the SBT, because they didn't).

Mafia! Mafia! Mafia! 

Lance,

Being a lawyer what is your opinion on how things would have turned out if Oswald lived for trial? Would the SS taking the body illegally from Dallas, The Parkland Doctors description of wounds compared to Bethesda, Gov. Connally's testimony on not being hit by the same bullet, and the chain of evidence have any impact?

[John Corbett]

Please read just a little more carefully before you fire off your knee-jerk responses. I have never suggested for one nanosecond I thought the SBT was impossible. I believe it is problematical but could certainly be correct. Cliff Varnell always insists the alignment of the wounds and the holes in the clothing is IMPOSSIBLE, CASE CLOSED, NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU'RE JUST STUPID IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE!!! My reference to Cliff was an inside joke for those who have followed his longstanding rant. But because you are a fundamentalist quasi-religious LN zealot, you fire off your knee-jerk fundamentalist quasi-religious LN zealot responses without even reading carefully. You are as whacked-out as any CTer I've ever encountered.

OK, explain why the SBT is "problematical".