John Simkin's theory of the JFKA - Oswald is MIA

[Lance Payette]

My wife left yesterday for two months in her homeland, leaving me to babysit six cats and ponder issues not normally worth pondering …

“Member theories on the assassination of JFK” is a thread started by John Simkin at the Ed Forum, https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31704-member-theories-on-the-jfk-assassination/. He led off with his theory, to which most members enthusiastically ascribed. It posits a plot to assassinate JFK organized by middle-level CIA folk with the final decision coming from the top level of the CIA. The original plan was to pin the JFKA on Castro. Oswald, we are told, was the “perfect patsy” for obvious reasons and because “he was working as an agent for both the FBI and the CIA” (while living in abject poverty, but I digress …).

Simkin refers us to his much longer analysis at https://spartacus-educational.com/spartacus-blogURL121.htm. Oswald is scarcely even mentioned. A mysterious character named Gene Wheaton (you can read about him at the link) stated in a 2005 YouTube interview that CIA operative Carl Jenkins “formed the first Marine Corps Reserve Unit in New Orleans in Louisiana and was the CIA liaison officer between CIA headquarters and Carlos Marcello and organized crime in the area. Carl helped recruit Lee Harvey Oswald into the CIA while he was a marine ... Lee was just a stooge they set up as part of a[n[ Operation Security Plan for deniability when they put a real dirty operation into place.” (Oh, really, what were those “real dirty operations” in which Oswald served as a stooge?)

That’s it, other than the fact that Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald. Other Ed Forum members, of course, expand this to include LBJ, the Joint Chiefs and pretty much all the usual suspects. It becomes a massive, elaborate conspiracy and cover-up, which Bill Simpich tries to ratchet down by saying “I think the killing of JFK, Tippit and LHO was a relatively small operation, with 30 or less witting participants.” Oh, only 30 – which, in Simpich’s view, included a “need for professional shooters and spotters to coordinate the crossfire; the need for top-flight communications before, during and after the shots to report on events and create diversions as needed; and the importance of assuring the autopsy was conducted by the military and came to the desired result after the smoke had cleared.” Oh, and also “those who ran the security stripping of the President at the motorcade … who destroyed Oswald's ‘alibi witness’ Charles Givens and turned him into a ‘prosecution witness’ while dividing Oswald's family against each other … who combined a corrupt search of the book depository with the corrupt story of the roll call claiming that Oswald was the only one missing … people who destroyed the chain of evidence and corrupted the investigation … [and] those who ensured the death of Oswald, … [as well as] those experienced in special ops.  I would say the CIA's David Morales (who admitted a role) and Howard Burris (LBJ's military adviser - among other things, he provided LBJ with military info that JFK did not know).   I would be stunned if Bill Harvey wasn't involved because of his hatred of the Kennedys and his devotion to black operations like assassinations.  Same with Allen Dulles.”

Only 30, huh? Sounds like a hell of a lot more.

OK, let's say Oswald was an FBI and CIA agent and longtime CIA “stooge.” For the sake of argument, the complete lack of evidence for any of this will not be our focus. Just take us through the events of November 21-22 and try to make sense of them from that angle. No one even tries! As he always is, Oswald is just inserted into the narrative as “the patsy,” with no effort to flesh this out. Exactly how would he have been induced to go to Irving the night before and get his clunky M-C? Why would he be begging Marina to move to Dallas - and what if she had said yes? Even as a CIA stooge, would he not have been just a bit perplexed as to what this was all about and why he was being asked to do what he was being asked to do? Was he literally a Stooge – as in Curly, Larry and Moe? I really don’t think that fits. If you think others did all this and Oswald simply went to work in the TSBD, oblivious of all that would unfold, explain to us how that would have worked and how he would have satisfied the need for a patsy.

I find the Simkin-type theories entirely plausible until you try to fit Oswald the man and what he actually did on November 21-22 into the theory. Then it is impossible even to picture what is supposed to have happened and how it actually would have worked – which is why, I assume, Simkin, Simpich, et al., really don’t even try. I want to hear a plausible theory that addresses “This is what Oswald was told, this is how he likely was induced to participate, and this is how what unfolded in Dealey Plaza and its aftermath makes sense in the context of a massive, elaborate conspiracy flowing from the highest levels of government.”

I don’t believe there is such a theory. But Simkin, Simpich, et al., are so desperate for a massive, elaborate conspiracy flowing from the highest levels of government that they just flat don’t care that their “Oswald the patsy” makes NO SENSE AT ALL. I mentioned before a guy at the Ed Forum that told me privately he thought Newman might be onto something "if he can ever take it all the way to Dealey Plaza, but I doubt he can." That is ALWAYS the problem - the real Oswald and Dealey Plaza; take them out of the equation and plausible conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen.

[John Corbett]

My wife left yesterday for two months in her homeland, leaving me to babysit six cats and ponder issues not normally worth pondering …

“Member theories on the assassination of JFK” is a thread started by John Simkin at the Ed Forum, https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31704-member-theories-on-the-jfk-assassination/. He led off with his theory, to which most members enthusiastically ascribed. It posits a plot to assassinate JFK organized by middle-level CIA folk with the final decision coming from the top level of the CIA. The original plan was to pin the JFKA on Castro. Oswald, we are told, was the “perfect patsy” for obvious reasons and because “he was working as an agent for both the FBI and the CIA” (while living in abject poverty, but I digress …).

Simkin refers us to his much longer analysis at https://spartacus-educational.com/spartacus-blogURL121.htm. Oswald is scarcely even mentioned. A mysterious character named Gene Wheaton (you can read about him at the link) stated in a 2005 YouTube interview that CIA operative Carl Jenkins “formed the first Marine Corps Reserve Unit in New Orleans in Louisiana and was the CIA liaison officer between CIA headquarters and Carlos Marcello and organized crime in the area. Carl helped recruit Lee Harvey Oswald into the CIA while he was a marine ... Lee was just a stooge they set up as part of a[n[ Operation Security Plan for deniability when they put a real dirty operation into place.” (Oh, really, what were those “real dirty operations” in which Oswald served as a stooge?)

That’s it, other than the fact that Tippit was supposed to kill Oswald. Other Ed Forum members, of course, expand this to include LBJ, the Joint Chiefs and pretty much all the usual suspects. It becomes a massive, elaborate conspiracy and cover-up, which Bill Simpich tries to ratchet down by saying “I think the killing of JFK, Tippit and LHO was a relatively small operation, with 30 or less witting participants.” Oh, only 30 – which, in Simpich’s view, included a “need for professional shooters and spotters to coordinate the crossfire; the need for top-flight communications before, during and after the shots to report on events and create diversions as needed; and the importance of assuring the autopsy was conducted by the military and came to the desired result after the smoke had cleared.” Oh, and also “those who ran the security stripping of the President at the motorcade … who destroyed Oswald's ‘alibi witness’ Charles Givens and turned him into a ‘prosecution witness’ while dividing Oswald's family against each other … who combined a corrupt search of the book depository with the corrupt story of the roll call claiming that Oswald was the only one missing … people who destroyed the chain of evidence and corrupted the investigation … [and] those who ensured the death of Oswald, … [as well as] those experienced in special ops.  I would say the CIA's David Morales (who admitted a role) and Howard Burris (LBJ's military adviser - among other things, he provided LBJ with military info that JFK did not know).   I would be stunned if Bill Harvey wasn't involved because of his hatred of the Kennedys and his devotion to black operations like assassinations.  Same with Allen Dulles.”

Only 30, huh? Sounds like a hell of a lot more.

OK, let's say Oswald was an FBI and CIA agent and longtime CIA “stooge.” For the sake of argument, the complete lack of evidence for any of this will not be our focus. Just take us through the events of November 21-22 and try to make sense of them from that angle. No one even tries! As he always is, Oswald is just inserted into the narrative as “the patsy,” with no effort to flesh this out. Exactly how would he have been induced to go to Irving the night before and get his clunky M-C? Why would he be begging Marina to move to Dallas - and what if she had said yes? Even as a CIA stooge, would he not have been just a bit perplexed as to what this was all about and why he was being asked to do what he was being asked to do? Was he literally a Stooge – as in Curly, Larry and Moe? I really don’t think that fits. If you think others did all this and Oswald simply went to work in the TSBD, oblivious of all that would unfold, explain to us how that would have worked and how he would have satisfied the need for a patsy.

I find the Simkin-type theories entirely plausible until you try to fit Oswald the man and what he actually did on November 21-22 into the theory. Then it is impossible even to picture what is supposed to have happened and how it actually would have worked – which is why, I assume, Simkin, Simpich, et al., really don’t even try. I want to hear a plausible theory that addresses “This is what Oswald was told, this is how he likely was induced to participate, and this is how what unfolded in Dealey Plaza and its aftermath makes sense in the context of a massive, elaborate conspiracy flowing from the highest levels of government.”

I don’t believe there is such a theory. But Simkin, Simpich, et al., are so desperate for a massive, elaborate conspiracy flowing from the highest levels of government that they just flat don’t care that their “Oswald the patsy” makes NO SENSE AT ALL. I mentioned before a guy at the Ed Forum that told me privately he thought Newman might be onto something "if he can ever take it all the way to Dealey Plaza, but I doubt he can." That is ALWAYS the problem - the real Oswald and Dealey Plaza; take them out of the equation and plausible conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen.

Sounds like a neat plot for a non-historical movie like Oliver Stone's JFK. When one breaks free from the evidence, it becomes possible to dream up much more interesting stories than JFK having been shot by a mentally unstable loner who took advantage of JFK's motorcade being routed right past his work place. BORING!!!