Why did Oswald go get his revolver?

[Lance Payette]

Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?

At the Ed Forum, Marjan defines his interests as:

Aether (& Gravity)(& Photons)(& Photaenos), Elekticity (& Elektons), English Billiards (12 ft table), Carnivore diet (zero carbs).

In my book, anyone that interesting can spell however he wants.

Like me, you're probably asking yourself, "So what are Photaenos anyway?" The answer, it would appear, is to be found at the Thunderbolts Forum, "for discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology." Photaenos are discussed at a thread titled "Photons & photaenos & praether & aether," https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=129606, in which Marjan may be one of the contributors for all I know.

You're welcome.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?

Respect.
But i am only extending the unfinished work of Teddy.
I say that i will spell is az is when u pronounce is az is.
Untill then it iz iz.

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

At the Ed Forum, Marjan defines his interests as:

Aether (& Gravity)(& Photons)(& Photaenos), Elekticity (& Elektons), English Billiards (12 ft table), Carnivore diet (zero carbs).

In my book, anyone that interesting can spell however he wants.

Like me, you're probably asking yourself, "So what are Photaenos anyway?" The answer, it would appear, is to be found at the Thunderbolts Forum, "for discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology." Photaenos are discussed at a thread titled "Photons & photaenos & praether & aether," https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=129606, in which Marjan may be one of the contributors for all I know.

You're welcome.

Yes, i am crawler or cushioncrawler or atheistaetherist or Marjan Rynkiewicz or madmac depending on the forum.
This week i am printing a book on English Billiards. It will cost me $6000.
This week i am writing a book on elekticity on a wire. I hope to print it in late 2026. It will cost me $2000.
I woz a Civil Engineer, not an Electrical Engineer. But i am No1 in the world re elekticity on a wire.
Today i finally worked out where Wolfgang G Gasser made hiz mistake when he measured the speed of electric radiation in the near field to be 5c.
This in my opinion makes me No1 in the world re Gasser.
And it now makes me No1 in the world in 8 realms, mostly physics stuff.
I retired from full time employment when i woz 52 years old. I am now 78.  And i study something/anything 12 hours per day.
After the elekticity book i will write a book on the jfk saga. Hickey shot jfk.
Life iz too short.

[John Corbett]

lame
 
Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?

Nice job of cherry picking the WC testimony. Is there a reason you left out this passage from Studebaker's testimony?

Mr. BALL. What sort of training did you have for the crime lab work that you are doing?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It's just on - the - job training - you go out with old officers and learn how to dust for prints and take pictures and fingerprints.
Mr. BALL. Have you had any special training in identification fingerprints?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No, sir; we don't classify prints too much where we are. We just compare them.

Why would you site a technician rather than an actual expert in fingerprint identification? Somebody like FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona?

Mr. EISENBERG. Returning to the prints themselves, you stated I believe that you found a palmprint and a fingerprint on this paper bag?
Mr. LATONA. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you find any other prints?
Mr. LATONA. No; no other prints that we term of value in the sense that I felt that they could be identified or that a conclusion could be reached that they were not identical with the fingerprints or palmprints of some other person.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you attempt to identify the palmprint and fingerprint?
Mr. LATONA. The ones that I developed; yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Were you able to identify these prints?
Mr. LATONA. I--the ones I developed, I did identify.
Mr. EISENBERG. Whose prints did you find them to be?
Mr. LATONA. They were identified as a fingerprint and a palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald.

As for Frazier's testimony, assuming he was being truthful, established Oswald carried a long paper bag into the TSBD. It did not establish the length of the bag because Frazier never measured it. He guessed at its length from memory. The way he described Oswald carrying the bag is consistent with where the prints were found, on the bottom of the bag. Frazier thought the bag extended above Oswald's shoulder but by his own admission he wasn't paying close attention to it. Why would he? Why would he think the length had any significance AT THE TIME.

The fact is that a bag with Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of it was found by the sniper's nest which also contained fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. If you want to believe that wasn't the same bag Frazier saw Oswald carry into the TSBD, that means Oswald would have carried the sniper's nest bag into the TSBD at some other unknown time and that the bag Frazier saw Oswald take into the building was never found. I don't have that problem. All I have to do is believe Frazier was just wrong about the length of the bag and that it protruded above Oswald's shoulder. That is very easy for me to believe.

[Michael Capasse]

Nice job of cherry picking the WC testimony. Is there a reason you left out this passage from Studebaker's testimony?

Mr. BALL. What sort of training did you have for the crime lab work that you are doing?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It's just on - the - job training - you go out with old officers and learn how to dust for prints and take pictures and fingerprints.
Mr. BALL. Have you had any special training in identification fingerprints?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No, sir; we don't classify prints too much where we are. We just compare them.

Why would you site a technician rather than an actual expert in fingerprint identification? Somebody like FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona?

Mr. EISENBERG. Returning to the prints themselves, you stated I believe that you found a palmprint and a fingerprint on this paper bag?
Mr. LATONA. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you find any other prints?
Mr. LATONA. No; no other prints that we term of value in the sense that I felt that they could be identified or that a conclusion could be reached that they were not identical with the fingerprints or palmprints of some other person.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you attempt to identify the palmprint and fingerprint?
Mr. LATONA. The ones that I developed; yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Were you able to identify these prints?
Mr. LATONA. I--the ones I developed, I did identify.
Mr. EISENBERG. Whose prints did you find them to be?
Mr. LATONA. They were identified as a fingerprint and a palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald.

As for Frazier's testimony, assuming he was being truthful, established Oswald carried a long paper bag into the TSBD. It did not establish the length of the bag because Frazier never measured it. He guessed at its length from memory. The way he described Oswald carrying the bag is consistent with where the prints were found, on the bottom of the bag. Frazier thought the bag extended above Oswald's shoulder but by his own admission he wasn't paying close attention to it. Why would he? Why would he think the length had any significance AT THE TIME.

The fact is that a bag with Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of it was found by the sniper's nest which also contained fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. If you want to believe that wasn't the same bag Frazier saw Oswald carry into the TSBD, that means Oswald would have carried the sniper's nest bag into the TSBD at some other unknown time and that the bag Frazier saw Oswald take into the building was never found. I don't have that problem. All I have to do is believe Frazier was just wrong about the length of the bag and that it protruded above Oswald's shoulder. That is very easy for me to believe.

  Once again, contracting statements that you cherry pick from the record is far from  "overwhelming"

Representative BOGGS. And the witness has also certified that those are Oswald's prints?
Mr. LATONA. No; I cannot certify to that.

Mr. EISENBERG. Do you want to explain that?

Mr. LATONA. As I am not the one that fingerprinted Oswald, I cannot tell from my own personal knowledge that those
are actually the fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. EISENBERG. But you can certify that those prints are identical with the prints on the card which bears
the name of Lee Harvey Oswald which was furnished to you?

Mr. LATONA. That is right.

Mr. EISENBERG. We will get other evidence in the record at a subsequent time to show those were the prints of Oswald.
Mr. Latona, you were saying that you had worked over that rifle by applying a gray powder to it. Did you develop any fingerprints?

Mr. LATONA. I was not successful in developing any prints at all on the weapon.
I also had one of the firearms examiners dismantle the weapon and I processed the complete weapon, all parts, everything else.
And no latent prints of value were developed.

OMT: Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

[John Corbett]

And then you have the threshold "What sense does it make?" question. WHY make a "bag" at the TSBD wrapping station in the first place, with the risks that would entail -  both at the time and including the risk of Frazier or Marina wondering why you have that big crinkly bag folded up inside your jacket? It's certainly possible he made it, but it seems to me an extremely odd and unlikely choice.

What risk would there be by making the bag at the wrapping station. That someone might find out he was using company materials for personal use?
That happens at most workplaces I've been employed at. I've done it myself. Many times. Compared to what Oswald was contemplating, I don't think Oswald was too concerned he might get reprimanded at work.

If Oswald was discovered with the bag, all he would have to do is cook up some lie like he made it so he could carry curtain rods in it.

I just don't think Oswald had any reason to fear being caught either making the bag or taking it back to Irving with him.

[Lance Payette]

Yes, i am crawler or cushioncrawler or atheistaetherist or Marjan Rynkiewicz or madmac depending on the forum.
This week i am printing a book on English Billiards. It will cost me $6000.
This week i am writing a book on elekticity on a wire. I hope to print it in late 2026. It will cost me $2000.
I woz a Civil Engineer, not an Electrical Engineer. But i am No1 in the world re elekticity on a wire.
Today i finally worked out where Wolfgang G Gasser made hiz mistake when he measured the speed of electric radiation in the near field to be 5c.
This in my opinion makes me No1 in the world re Gasser.
And it now makes me No1 in the world in 8 realms, mostly physics stuff.
I retired from full time employment when i woz 52 years old. I am now 78.  And i study something/anything 12 hours per day.
After the elekticity book i will write a book on the jfk saga. Hickey shot jfk.
Life iz too short.

Cool! No one will believe this, but I had an epiphany of sorts when I was only about 5 years old. I was fascinated by death, or perhaps "What is life?" I would hold little funerals for dead birds and lizards and whatnot and wonder "So what's the difference between this and what it was an hour ago?" Standing in my parents' gravel driveway, I had an epiphany out of nowhere: "Electricity! Life is fundamentally electrical, and what survives is electrical." 71 years later, and far more sophisticated in my thinking, I still think somewhat along those lines.

When I was maybe 55, I had a dream in which the name "Lynne McTaggert" kept appearing. I had no clue who LM was - she could have been an obscure WNBA basketball player for all I knew. So I Googled her name and discovered she is the author of The Field: The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe, which is very much along the lines of my epiphany as a toddler!