This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative

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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #63 on: Today at 10:21:34 AM »
LP--

Even the best CT'ers and LNT'ers seem vulnerable to certain CT eccentricities.

Both groups remind me of lawyers, PR representatives or partisans arguing a case.

If I say I have reasonable doubts Gov. JBC held onto his Stetson hat in his right hand after being shot through the right wrist by large slug that tumbled inside his wrist (the WC LNT SBT) an LNT'er will then say my doubts are unreasonable. I say Cyril Wecht agrees with me. The LNT'ers say Wecht was a bum. And so on.

On the CT side, I say I think nothing funny happened at Bethesda, other than perhaps a less-than-stellar autopsy. I am told I work for the CIA.

So it goes.


Online Tom Graves

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #64 on: Today at 10:29:30 AM »
LP--

Even the best CT'ers and LNT'ers seem vulnerable to certain CT eccentricities.

Both groups remind me of lawyers, PR representatives or partisans arguing a case.

If I say I have reasonable doubts Gov. JBC held onto his Stetson hat in his right hand after being shot through the right wrist by large slug that tumbled inside his wrist (the WC LNT SBT) an LNT'er will then say my doubts are unreasonable. I say Cyril Wecht agrees with me. The LNT'ers say Wecht was a bum. And so on.

On the CT side, I say I think nothing funny happened at Bethesda, other than perhaps a less-than-stellar autopsy. I am told I work for the CIA.

So it goes.

Maybe Wecht wasn't a bum!

Maybe he was the only one who was right, and the eight other forensic pathologists on the HSCA panel were bums or ... gasp ... compromised by the evil, evil, evil CIA!

That must be it!
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Online Charles Collins

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #65 on: Today at 11:57:14 AM »
My thoughts exactly, Oswald's later behaviour with the jacket shows where his mind was, the thought of the spendthrift Oswald discarding a perfectly good jacket easily demonstrates that Oswald would do whatever it took to evade capture.

I've seen some persuasive arguments that Oswald was wearing his white T-shirt when he was shooting from the 6th floor and then Oswald put on his brown shirt when seen by Baker and then it makes sense that Oswald who would have been a bit apprehensive after being seen by the Law, simply wrapped his shirt around his waist when seen by Reid, much like the following image and to be honest, at first I didn't even notice the shirt around her waist! ;)



To better visualize the Reid encounter, Oswald was seen by Reid going through the door, pic 27 and they crossed paths at the hand written "XR".



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I've seen some persuasive arguments that Oswald was wearing his white T-shirt when he was shooting from the 6th floor and then Oswald put on his brown shirt when seen by Baker and then it makes sense that Oswald who would have been a bit apprehensive after being seen by the Law, simply wrapped his shirt around his waist when seen by Reid, much like the following image and to be honest, at first I didn't even notice the shirt around her waist! ;)



An idea that came to me yesterday is that perhaps LHO had folded and rolled his brown shirt into as small an object as feasible (perhaps about the size of a coke bottle). If he held it in one hand similar to the way he would hold a coke, perhaps Mrs. Reid mistook it to be a coke (after just glancing at it or seeing it “out of the corner of her eye”). There is no way to either confirm this was true or not, but I think it is a possibility that makes sense to me. Your “mileage may vary”.


Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #66 on: Today at 12:13:34 PM »
TG--

I was addressing the matter of Gov. JBC's wrist, and Wecht's view on that.

I readily concede CT'ers, and LNT'ers, grasp at straws and bash straw-men in making their arguments.

If you think JBC held onto his Stetson hat after being shot through the hat-holding wrist, that is fine.

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #67 on: Today at 01:30:32 PM »
LP--

Even the best CT'ers and LNT'ers seem vulnerable to certain CT eccentricities.

Both groups remind me of lawyers, PR representatives or partisans arguing a case.

If I say I have reasonable doubts Gov. JBC held onto his Stetson hat in his right hand after being shot through the right wrist by large slug that tumbled inside his wrist (the WC LNT SBT) an LNT'er will then say my doubts are unreasonable. I say Cyril Wecht agrees with me. The LNT'ers say Wecht was a bum. And so on.

On the CT side, I say I think nothing funny happened at Bethesda, other than perhaps a less-than-stellar autopsy. I am told I work for the CIA.

So it goes.

Since I actually do work for the CIA and we take at least a modicum of pride in the quality of our recruits, I am aghast that anyone would think YOU were one of us.  :D :D :D If anyone is interested, the monthly stipend is up to $122.75.

I have not abandoned the idea that JBC's wrist wound may have been a separate wound caused by a fragment from the head shot. Mysteries abound.

Anyone who is unable to acknowledge that Oswald's behavior was rather odd and puzzling for someone who was going to shoot the President in a matter of hours strikes me as closed-minded to an extreme. I can acknowledge the evidence clearly pointing to him while also acknowledging "This is a huge piece that just doesn't seem to fit."


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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #68 on: Today at 02:18:23 PM »
Anyone who is unable to acknowledge that Oswald's behavior was rather odd and puzzling for someone who was going to shoot the President in a matter of hours strikes me as closed-minded to an extreme. I can acknowledge the evidence clearly pointing to him while also acknowledging "This is a huge piece that just doesn't seem to fit."

Dear F.P.R.,

If long-iron-wieldin' assassins are supposed to be all nervous and fidgety and everything before The Big Event, how in the world could they hit anything while sweatin' and twitchin' so dog-gone much?

-- Tom
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Online John Corbett

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Re: This at least gives me pause about the LN narrative
« Reply #69 on: Today at 02:21:31 PM »

I've seen some persuasive arguments that Oswald was wearing his white T-shirt when he was shooting from the 6th floor and then Oswald put on his brown shirt when seen by Baker and then it makes sense that Oswald who would have been a bit apprehensive after being seen by the Law, simply wrapped his shirt around his waist when seen by Reid, much like the following image and to be honest, at first I didn't even notice the shirt around her waist! ;)


Howard Brennan indicated Oswald was wearing a white t-shirt when he saw him fire the final shot. The problem with that is it doesn't explain the fibers on the butt plate of the rifle which matched the shirt Oswald was wearing when he was arrested. My belief based on the varying descriptions of what Oswad was wearing from the time he fired the shots to the time he was arrested, is that Oswald was wearing his tan shirt but that it was unbuttoned and completely open. That might explain why some witnesses, (Brennan, Reid) remember seeing him in a white t-shirt. I find it much easier to believe they just didn't notice the unbuttoned tan shirt than Oswald was putting that shirt on and off numerous times during his journey from the sniper's nest to the Texas Theater.