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[John Mytton]

  The above, "shoulda woulda" scenario is comically uninformed. SA Clint Hill was SPECIFICALLY Assigned to protect Jackie Kennedy. Why do you think he was climbing onto the Limo Trunk DIRECTLY behind Jackie Kennedy? Clint Hill was hitting the "hard stuff" the night previous. Other SS Agents were too. Personally, I believe what you are labeling as a "slow response time", is what Joe 6 Pack calls a "hang over". The SS is held to an exceptionally high standard. Those numerous SS Agents downing the "Who Hit John" the night before, failed miserably at even coming close to this high bar.

To have a "hang over" that seriously affects a person requires more than just a few drinks, do you have any proof that they were completely sloshed? In my younger days, I have overindulged and woke up feeling like crap but soldiered on and went to work and could do my job with reasonable efficiency within an hour or two, and by lunch was operating at 100%!
Now, I'm not condoning their actions and if Rowley, Chief of the U.S. Secret Service is correct, a few of them were hardly inebriated.

BTW, this was never a secret and has been known at for least since the Warren report was released, to me it's just an easy target for people who throw stones while living in glass houses.

Mr. RANKIN. Did you learn in connection with the trip when the assassination occurred that certain of the Secret Service agents had been in the press club and what is called the Cellar, at Fort Worth, the night before?
Mr. ROWLEY. Well, that came to my attention through a broadcast that Mr. Pearson made, that the agents were inebriated .the night before at the Fort Worth Press Club. I immediately dispatched Inspector McCann to Fort Worth to investigate the report, and to interview the agents.
Mr. RANKIN. What did you learn?
Mr. ROWLEY. I learned that there were nine agents involved at the Press Club. And I might say this--the agents on duty throughout that day had no opportunity to eat. When they arrived at Fort Worth, they were informed that there was a buffet to be served at the Fort Worth Club. This is what I ascertained in personal interviews. Upon going over there, they leaned there was no buffet, and some of them stayed for a drink. Three, I think, had one scotch, and others had two or three beers. They were in and out--from the time they arrived, I would say roughly around 12:30, until the place closed at 2 o'clock.
Now, after that some of them went to the Cellar. This is a place that does not serve alcoholic beverages. They went there primarily, I think, out of curiosity, because this was some kind of a beatnik place where someone gets up and recites, or plays the guitar.

JohnM

[Jack Nessan]

Apparently, the Secret Service agents did not recognize the first sound as being a gunshot. We can speculate why that was but it's possible the roar of the motorcycles accelerating out of the sharp turn onto Elm St. partially muted the sound of the first shot. Clint Hill only remembered hearing 2 shots which tell me he either didn't hear the first shot or could not identify it as a gunshot. When he heard the second shot and saw JFK raise his arms up to his throat level, he started to race toward the limo. Altgens 6 shows us he did not take off until about two seconds after JFK was hit. That seems like a rather slow response time, but it's not surprising he would take that long to figure out what was happening. The photo also shows us the two agents on the other side of the limo were still looking back at the TSBD. Neither of them ever made a move toward the limo even after JFK was shot.

So, yes, the Secret Service response time was slow. I'm sure the agents were trained on what to do in various scenarios, but nothing can prepare one for the actual event when it happens suddenly and unexpectedly. Had the agents immediately recognized what was happening when the first shot was fired and started racing toward the limo immediately, they might have got there in time to prevent the 3rd shot from killing JFK. Had he only been hit in the upper torso, that would have been a serious wound, but he likely would have survived. For many years after the assassination, Clint Hill felt guilty that he did not react sooner than he did. I've always wondered whether the other agents on the running boards had the same feelings of guilt.

Not only did the Secret Service miss this early shot, so did everyone else standing in Dealey Plaza. Maybe that should be a clue.

[John Corbett]

  The above, "shoulda woulda" scenario is comically uninformed. SA Clint Hill was SPECIFICALLY Assigned to protect Jackie Kennedy. Why do you think he was climbing onto the Limo Trunk DIRECTLY behind Jackie Kennedy?

Because that was the closest hand hold.

Clint Hill was hitting the "hard stuff" the night previous. Other SS Agents were too. Personally, I believe what you are labeling as a "slow response time", is what Joe 6 Pack calls a "hang over". The SS is held to an exceptionally high standard. Those numerous SS Agents downing the "Who Hit John" the night before, failed miserably at even coming close to this high bar.

No evdence the agents were hungover. That is speculation but that is SOP for you.

[John Corbett]

Not only did the Secret Service miss this early shot, so did everyone else standing in Dealey Plaza. Maybe that should be a clue.

Some did. Some didn't. JBC heard the first shot and recognized it for it was. So did Agent Bennett. Strictly speaking, neither of these men were "standing in Dealey Plaza" but it shows that others likely heard what they did. I'm not going to go look up what the various witnesses had to say about what they heard. I do know that some of them said they thought the first sound was fireworks or a motorcycle backfire. I don't pretend to know why some people recognized the first sound as a gunshot and some didn't. It's clear that was the case.

[Jack Nessan]

Some did. Some didn't. JBC heard the first shot and recognized it for it was. So did Agent Bennett. Strictly speaking, neither of these men were "standing in Dealey Plaza" but it shows that others likely heard what they did. I'm not going to go look up what the various witnesses had to say about what they heard. I do know that some of them said they thought the first sound was fireworks or a motorcycle backfire. I don't pretend to know why some people recognized the first sound as a gunshot and some didn't. It's clear that was the case.

No. JBC did not think it was a miss. Bennet is a two shot witness.

[Lance Payette]

Not only did the Secret Service miss this early shot, so did everyone else standing in Dealey Plaza. Maybe that should be a clue.

Speaking off the top of my head here, but as I recall several of the women along Elm near the Stemmons sign were consistent in saying that the first shot occurred when JFK was pretty much right in front of them. I was impressed by how many times this leaped out of the FBI statements when I was looking into the Gloria Calvery issue. Isn't that pretty close to where most three-shot fans think the second shot occurred? I don't have Phantom Shot handy at the moment to see how this is dealt with there.

[Royell Storing]

Not only did the Secret Service miss this early shot, so did everyone else standing in Dealey Plaza. Maybe that should be a clue.

   So "EVERYBODY" in Dealey Plaza "missed" the Early Shot? What's THAT tell you? There was NO "early shot"!
   Please Stop talking about an "early shot" like it is a Fact. It ain't. This is exactly why we have numerous JFK "Urban Legends". People endlessly repeat what they think "might" have happened to the point of it getting accepted as being a Fact.
   And this "early shot" stuff also ties in with: (1) the "early shot" hitting the traffic signal support beam, and (2) Oswald firing his weapon Downward through a 1/2 open window while in a Standing Position. Know it or not, You guys are building a snowball of  JFK Urban Legends.