Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans

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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Reply #14 on: Today at 10:08:14 AM »
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AKAIK, Bagley, who I never met but who writes well and who is well-regarded, and who has street cred (a real world veteran CIA officer, not a JFKA hobbyist) said--

1. LHO was likely a witting asset of someone at the CIA.

2.Bruce Solie was a possible KGB mole. (In my layman's view, this may even be likely.)

Victor Marchetti way back in the 1970s said the CIA was so infiltrated with KGB assets he was unsure who was running the joint.

Former intel officer and researcher John Newman has groused in a similar fashion, and says LHO was a Solie-KGB asset.

So, LHO as a KGB asset, then meets KGB'ers in MC, and then takes part in the JFKA assassination.

That is not a tale the WC wanted to tell.

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Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Reply #15 on: Today at 10:38:08 AM »
TG-

AFAIK, Bagley, who I never met but who writes well and who is well-regarded, and who has street cred (a real world veteran CIA officer, not a JFKA hobbyist) said--

1. LHO was likely a witting asset of someone at the CIA.

2.Bruce Solie was a possible KGB mole. (In my layman's view, this may even be likely.)

Victor Marchetti way back in the 1970s said the CIA was so infiltrated with KGB assets he was unsure who was running the joint.

Former intel officer and researcher John Newman has groused in a similar fashion, and says LHO was a Solie-KGB asset.

So, LHO as a KGB asset, then meets KGB'ers in MC, and then takes part in the JFKA assassination.

That is not a tale the WC wanted to tell.


We'll probably never know whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK (all by himself, imho) for the KGB, for Castro, for [fill in the blank], or if he did it of his own volition to "Advance the Dialectic" and "Hasten the End of Late-Stage Capitalism."

What those of us who have read Tennent H. Bagley's Spy Wars, "Ghosts of the Spy Wars," and Spymaster, and John M. Newman's Oswald and the CIA and Uncovering Popov's Mole do know for sure is that the CIA was penetrated by a mole or two or three or four in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, that putative KGB staff officer Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962 and a false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964, and that Anatoly Golitsyn-hating J. Edgar Hoover protected Kremlin-loyal triple-agent FEDORA from the CIA for several years.

In other words, the KGB's 1959-on Sun Tzu-based "Master Plan" (which James JESUS Angleton's critics like to call "The Monster Plot") that Golitsyn tried to warn the Agency and the Bureau about was real.

Oh yeah, and those of us who have read Angleton's Church Committee testimony and done some digging around at the Mary Ferrell Foundation website have figured out that the "Byetkov?" he mentioned was KGB security officer Ivan Obyedkov, and that it was he who spoke with forgetful Oswald or "Oswald" over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phone line on 10/1/63 and volunteered to him the Department 13-radioactive name "Kostikov."

Those of us who been able to understand what Angleton was saying in his unique way in the poorly transcribed transcript know that Obyedkov was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent, i.e., the CIA mistakenly believed that it had successfully recruited him.

We also know that the only reason the CIA and the FBI believed on 11/23/63 that Kostikov was Department 13* was because the aforementioned FEDORA (KGB Major Aleksey Kulak) told Hoover in 1962 that Kostikov's charge at the U.N., Igor Brykin, was Department 13.

*The Assassination and Sabotage department of the KGB's First Chief Directorate (today's SVR)
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Online Benjamin Cole

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Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Reply #16 on: Today at 01:48:19 PM »
Tennent Bagley seemed to give credence to the idea Kostikov was Dep't 13.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32395389.pdf