Jack Ruby kicks Oswald? And other interesting stuff.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

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Mr. LIEBELER - Tell us what happened as you took these pictures.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].
Mr. LIEBELER - That's all right, Mr. Zapruder, would you like a drink of water? Why don't you step out and have a drink of water?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I'm sorry--I'm ashamed of myself really, but I couldn't help it.
Mr. LIEBELER - Nobody should ever be ashamed of feeling that way, Mr. Zapruder. I feel the same way myself. It was a terrible thing.
Let me go back now for just a moment and ask you how many shots you heard altogether.
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I thought I heard two, it could be three, because to my estimation I thought he was hit on the second--I really don't know. The whole thing that has been transpiring--it was very upsetting and as you see I got a little better all the time and this came up again and it to me looked like the second shot, but I don't know. I never even heard a third shot.
Mr. LIEBELER - You didn't hear any shot after you saw him hit?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - I heard the second--after the first shot--I saw him leaning over and after the second shot--it's possible after what I saw, you know, then I started yelling, "They killed him, they killed him," and I just felt that somebody had ganged up on him and I was still shooting the pictures until he got under the underpass--I don't even know how I did it. And then, I didn't even remember how I got down from that abutment there, but there I was, I guess, and I was walking toward--back toward my office and screaming, "They killed him, they killed him," and the people that I met on the way didn't even know what happened and they kept yelling, "What happened, what happened, what happened?" It seemed that they had heard a shot but they didn't know exactly what had happened as the car sped away, and I kept on just yelling, "They killed him, they killed him, they killed him," and finally got to my office and my secretary--I told her to call the police or the Secret Service--I don't know what she was doing, and that's about all. I was very much upset. Naturally, I couldn't imagine such a thing being done. I just went to my desk and stopped there until the police came and then we were required to get a place to develop the films. I knew I had something, I figured it might be of some help--I didn't know what.
As to what happened--I remember the police were running behind me. There were police running right behind me. Of course, they didn't realize yet, I guess, where the shot came from--that it came from that height.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm



JohnM

John: Zapruder said he heard two shots. Not three. Zapruder: "I never even heard a third shot."

If there was a startle reaction after each shot why didn't he remember that third shot/noise that caused that third startle/reaction?

[Jarrett Smith]

• These two morphs that I put together show smooth rotation because they both came from impossible to fake stereoscopic pairs. The first GIF shows Kennedy's left brain hemisphere to be intact and the flap over the right temple as seen in Zapruder. And the second GIF shows the back of Kennedy's head to be intact with a solitary bullet entrance hole where the hair is parted, next to the top of the ruler. Sorry bout that CT's!





JohnM


Dr. Boswell said skull was missing down to the base of the ear, and if the scalp wasn't pulled up over it was open. Also, according to him that's not a bullet hole, but a laceration to the scalp. The entry was lower. So, the photo is 100% legit and would match Z-335 if the scalp was let go.

[John Corbett]

To do the   shooting in front of the cameras, Ruby must have really been upset.

Why did Ruby go  before cameras and say it’s people in high places and we will never know the truth?

He was facing a capital murder charge and might say just about anything to escape the electric chair.

He changed it  later to the “He was just angry” story.  So if his original statement was a ploy to gain some plea bargain leverage, he sure screwed himself it seems.

UNLESS… Ruby was promised a deal in exchange for changing his statement , after which they killed him in prison with an injection and created false documents that he had cancer and died of pneumonia.

I hate being suspicious but somebody has to keep up the CT side of the spectrum on this forum since most of them are over at that other forum.

Even if he had not succumbed to cancer, it is highly unlikely Ruby would have actually been executed. I don't even think Oswald would have been executed had Ruby not killed him. That's why I'm glad Ruby did what he did even though I can't justify it legally or morally. Oswald got what he deserved and wouldn't have if Ruby hadn't killed him.

[David Von Pein]

[David Von Pein]

[John Mytton]

Thanks David, I was pretty sure before but with that higher quality clip, the car's bumper definitely strikes Ruby as he slightly buckles, also it's easier to see the bottom of the jacket partially obscure the headlight.



JohnM

[Charles Collins]

Thanks David, I was pretty sure before but with that higher quality clip, the car's bumper definitely strikes Ruby as he slightly buckles, also it's easier to see the bottom of the jacket partially obscure the headlight.



JohnM

Thanks John and David, it has been quite a few years ago that I was saying that it looked to me like the car struck Ruby. And there was a lot of people who disagreed. We didn’t have these high quality GIFs to go by. It is great to know I wasn’t “seeing things that I wanted to see”. This sometimes happens to me, and others I believe.

What some of us might have interpreted as Ruby lunging toward (or even kicking) LHO seems to me to be Ruby instinctively moving rapidly (as he sensed the car graze his leg) to get out of the car’s way and to keep his feet under him. At the same time the officers were grabbing at him and trying to get the gun and subdue Ruby. It’s a very interesting clip of some fast acting men.