JFK's raised left arm identified at Bethesda

[John Mytton]

Not only did they see the film they got Time/Life to send them the original to examine. It was reportedly much clearer than the copies the WC had. According to David Belin, he and others watched it hundreds of times, over multiple hours.

It was CE 396 and 398.

From Shenon's "A Cruel and Shocking Act."

Thanks for posting that extract.

It was CE 396 and 398.

 





The Warren Commission in CE388 also published(except for the half dozen frames destroyed by LIFE Magazine)every single frame from Z171 though to Z334 and they are all the Full Frames that included the ghost images between the sprockets, they also included the graphic head shot.
And every frame is exactly what we saw published in Life Magazine a week later and up until what we see today.





BTW, according to decades later recall from Brugioni, the following briefing board was not the one he produced on the Saturday night but according to Hofeling, this briefing board came the day after and came directly from Hawkeyeworks(you know, the imaging processing unit "who could do anything", even better than Hollywood could do for the next three decades+). Anyway I digress, if the briefing board teams had access to the original Full Frame Zapruder Film and/or the highly questionable "faked version", according to Brugioni(who was the Duty Officer on the Saturday and Sunday?) had the "finest enlargement equipment in the World!" and wanted to deliver "the best quality we could give them", why on Earth wouldn't Brugioni deliver the entire frame, like what was printed in the 26 volumes? Unless of course they only had the SS copy which as we know didn't include the inter sprocket detail!!



What's also bizarre is Brugioni telling us that he was fully aware of the importance of the full film of the assassination and he is also fully aware that the tape he used to indicate which frame to highlight for his briefing board could damage the film, so he taped frames which were 10 frames away from what he deemed "important", there's no way that any sane professional technician who was aware of the historical significance of the original film would risk in any way, any section of the Zapruder original!! Unless of course Brugioni knew at the time that he had one of many duplicates.



JohnM

[Royell Storing]

   John M - I haven't looked at the Brugioni Q/A in a while, but as I recall Brugioni admits to Not being a photo expert. He's an IMAGE EXPERT. He was the best at examining extremely high aerial photos/images, like the images taken by Gary Powers U-2 spy plane etc.
                I'm not sure if Brugioni clearly understood what Horne meant when he asked about images "bleeding over". I thought Horne's question was poorly worded. Just using the word "bleed" or "bleeding" amidst the setting of an assassination has an immediate negative impact on the listener. I believe that Brugioni thought Horne was asking about the general quality of the images. Were the images "bleeding" or smearing or stretching to the (L) and into the area between the sprocket holes. I believe this is what Brugioni thought he was being asked about. I think he thought Horne was asking if the standard images were being duplicated/"bleeding" into the sprocket hole area.
                With a case now 62+ years old, we need to stay away from accusing eyewitnesses of having "hazy" recollections or just being "foggy".  Both sides can play this game until the cows come home. A legit eyewitness decades later does still have value. And an expert witness such a Brugioni, on the 1963 CIA payroll, holds even greater value.     

[Darragh McConville]

For completeness, sharing Richard Lipsey's interview with the HSCA here: https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/med_testimony/Lipsey_1-18-78/HSCA-Lipsey.htm


Specifically about the "raised arm":

Q: Could you describe for us the nature of the damage to the front of the neck?

 

LIPSEY: No. I really couldn't. Because like I say, when we got it out, there was -- blood was all over the body. It was almost caked on. I remember they took a scrub brush and a pail. One of his arms, and if I've not mistaken, it was his left arm. You know, the way, I guess, after he died, finished the autopsy by that time and, rigor mortis had set in and one of his arms was slightly higher. Well, the guy's laying down and one of them was up a little bit. So when they started the autopsy I can remember, one of the doctors, when he was starting to clean the body up, got up on the table and physically got up on the table and put his knee down on his arm to hold it down -- to get it out of his way -- so he could scrub the rest of the body. So to say, to describe the hole to you, no. Because it was so messy and so much blood that I didn't, I never got close enough to get down and look at the wound itself.