The smell of gunpowder

[Ted Sager]

A large firecracker would have produced gunpowder smell, as no shots were fired from GK.

[Benjamin Cole]

If the firecracker was homemade, from gunpowder, it would.

AI talk:

Yes, firecrackers smell different than gunsmoke. While both contain sulfur compounds, firecrackers use traditional black powder, giving off a strong "rotten egg" and charcoal smell. Modern firearms use relatively smokeless powder, which leaves behind a sharper, chemical, or "match-like" smell.

Firecrackers generally do not have cordite in the powder, while gunpowder does.

 

[Michael T. Griffith]

In a number of threads, people have brought up the fact that people in the motorcade smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK. To that my reaction has always been SO WHAT. I think we can safely say no one fired a weapon on Elm St. so the people who got a whiff of gunpowder residue when they were on Elm St. give us no clue as to where that residue was discharged.

I've corrected you on this stuff before, but I see you're repeating it again.

Recap: One, the witnesses who smelled gunpowder said they smelled it on the grassy or near the knoll. Two, they indicated they smelled it very soon after the shooting, within less than about 1 minute after the shooting, judging from their accounts. Three, several witnesses also said they saw gun smoke coming from an area of the picket fence on the knoll. Four, a small cloud of apparent gun smoke can be seen in the Wiegman film hanging over a point on the grassy knoll. 

I thought of this following the recent assassination attempt on President Trump and some of the people smelled the gunpowder in the ballroom even though the assailant never discharged his weapon there. The residue that people smell can drift quite a distance from it's origin. This gives us no indication where that residue was discharged from.

You're talking about a case where the gunman fired inside a building with an air circulation system and fired only about 10-15 feet away from the ballroom entrance. It's not a bit surprising that some people in the ballroom could smell gunpowder, and, more important, the gunpowder did not "drift quite a distance" from its origin.

So any suggestion that the Trump assassination attempt implies that the gunpowder that Dealey Plaza witnesses smelled near/on the grassy knoll came from 60 feet up and 200-plus feet away is baseless.

". . . from it's origin"? You mean "from its origin." The possessive form of "it" is "its," not "it's." "It's" is a contraction of "It is." Sheesh, this is junior-high-level English.

I usually do not call attention to someone's apparent lack of education, but I'm making an exception in your case because of the arrogant and dismissive polemic that you use while making erroneous claims that prove you don't know what you're talking about.

You have no business starting threads unless they're only asking sincere questions.

[John Corbett]

I've corrected you on this stuff before, but I see you're repeating it again.

Recap: One, the witnesses who smelled gunpowder said they smelled it on the grassy or near the knoll. Two, they indicated they smelled it very soon after the shooting, within less than about 1 minute after the shooting, judging from their accounts. Three, several witnesses also said they saw gun smoke coming from an area of the picket fence on the knoll. Four, a small cloud of apparent gun smoke can be seen in the Wiegman film hanging over a point on the grassy knoll.

I'm not disputing that people on the GK might have smelled gunpowder. The people I've seen most often cited as having smelled gunpowder were people in the motorcade such as Senator Yarborough. He was in the middle of Elm St. when he smelled the gunpowder residue. I don't think anyone has suggested a shot was fired from Elm St. which tells us that the residue had traveled some distance from its source. That doesn't tell us where that source was. It is illogical to conclude that because these people smelled the residue as they were passing the GK that is an indication the source was the GK. The smell of gunpowder in no way tells us where the shots originated from. We have much better evidence of that: the spent shells in the sniper's next, the murder weapon on the 6th floor, and several eyewitnesses who located the gunman before he fired his last shot. CTs have no real evidence of a second gunman so they grab onto morsels such as this.

You're talking about a case where the gunman fired inside a building with an air circulation system and fired only about 10-15 feet away from the ballroom entrance. It's not a bit surprising that some people in the ballroom could smell gunpowder, and, more important, the gunpowder did not "drift quite a distance" from its origin.

So any suggestion that the Trump assassination attempt implies that the gunpowder that Dealey Plaza witnesses smelled near/on the grassy knoll came from 60 feet up and 200-plus feet away is baseless.

". . . from it's origin"? You mean "from its origin." The possessive form of "it" is "its," not "it's." "It's" is a contraction of "It is." Sheesh, this is junior-high-level English.

If you are going to use the smell of gunpowder on Elm St. as evidence of a shot from the GK, the burden is on you to prove that the residue was discharged from the GK. At the very least, you would need to prove that residue could not have been discharged from the sniper's nest. As is the norm for CTs, you assume what you have failed to prove.

 

I usually do not call attention to someone's apparent lack of education, but I'm making an exception in your case because of the arrogant and dismissive polemic that you use while making erroneous claims that prove you don't know what you're talking about.

I see you are projecting again.

You have no business starting threads unless they're only asking sincere questions.

By sincere questions, you mean ones that are critical of the WCR. You resent when critical thinking is applied to the CT arguments.

[Royell Storing]

I'm not disputing that people on the GK might have smelled gunpowder. The people I've seen most often cited as having smelled gunpowder were people in the motorcade such as Senator Yarborough. He was in the middle of Elm St. when he smelled the gunpowder residue. I don't think anyone has suggested a shot was fired from Elm St. which tells us that the residue had traveled some distance from its source. That doesn't tell us where that source was. It is illogical to conclude that because these people smelled the residue as they were passing the GK that is an indication the source was the GK. The smell of gunpowder in no way tells us where the shots originated from. We have much better evidence of that: the spent shells in the sniper's next, the murder weapon on the 6th floor, and several eyewitnesses who located the gunman before he fired his last shot. CTs have no real evidence of a second gunman so they grab onto morsels such as this.
If you are going to use the smell of gunpowder on Elm St. as evidence of a shot from the GK, the burden is on you to prove that the residue was discharged from the GK. At the very least, you would need to prove that residue could not have been discharged from the sniper's nest. As is the norm for CTs, you assume what you have failed to prove.
I see you are projecting again.
By sincere questions, you mean ones that are critical of the WCR. You resent when critical thinking is applied to the CT arguments.

 "..a shot fired from Elm St?" What about the SA Hickey AR-15?

[John Corbett]

"..a shot fired from Elm St?" What about the SA Hickey AR-15?

One of the silliest theories proposed regarding the JFKA.

[Royell Storing]

One of the silliest theories proposed regarding the JFKA.

   Though this "theory" has no Proof, neither does the SBT. Yet the SBT is routinely embraced as being legit. The SA Hickey accidental firing of the AR-15 is certainly not "silly". I don't believe the AR-15 was responsible for the JFK Head Explosion, but an accidental missed shot(s) fired from that gun is very possible. This accidental firing would explain the smell of gunpowder stretching down Elm St as this fired weapon inside the Queen Mary traveled down Elm St and then onto the Stemmons Fwy On-Ramp.