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Did LHO fire a shot that missed everything? If so, when did he fire it?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 25, 2026, 03:16:59 PM ---
But a lone single-shot bolt action rifle on 11.22?
I am skeptical.
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The only two recovered bullets and the three recovered shells were positively matched to Oswald's bolt action rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. No other bullets and no other shells were recovered. All the wounds to JFK and JBC were caused by shots from above and behind them. There were almost 4 seconds between the first and second shots and almost 5 seconds between the second and third shots. That is plenty of time to operate the bolt and fire the rifle twice more after firing the first shot. Oswald's Carcano was the murder weapon and there is no evidence of any other weapon being fired in Dealey Plaza that day. Why would you be skeptical?
Royell Storing:
What are you basing, ".....almost 4 seconds between the first and second shots and almost 5 seconds between the second and third shots"? That's "almost" 10 seconds. That's a very long time and should have/would have attracted "eyeballs" from assorted Dealey Plaza positions toward the sniper's nest. According to Amos Euins, this did Not happen. "POW..............POW/POW"!
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on April 25, 2026, 07:42:29 PM ---
What are you basing, ".....almost 4 seconds between the first and second shots and almost 5 seconds between the second and third shots"?
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Jiggle analysis shows blurred frames and a camera jump at Z155, Z227, and Z318. That's 72 frames between the first and second shots, and 91 frames between the second and third shots.
72 /18.3 = 3.934426229508197... seconds
91 /18.3 = 4.972677595628415... seconds
--- Quote ---That's "almost" 10 seconds.
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My calculator says it's almost 9.
--- Quote ---That's a very long time and should have/would have attracted "eyeballs" from assorted Dealey Plaza positions toward the sniper's nest. According to Amos Euins, this did Not happen. "POW..............POW/POW"!
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It attracted Amos Euins. He saw two shots fired. Howard Brennan saw the last shot.
I really don't think Oswald was two concerned with whether anybody saw him or not. He just wanted to kill JFK. He succeeded. Why would you second guess him.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on April 25, 2026, 12:15:31 AM ---When one accepts the reality of the Single Bullet Theorem, i.e., that JFK and JBC were struck by CE-399 at approximately Z-222, then one can speculate on whether or not it was Oswald who had fired the earlier, missing-everything, shot, and if so, when he fired it.
Since three spent shells that had been fired from Oswald's Carcano were found in the Sniper's Nest about an hour after the assassination, since the Carcano, with Oswald's prints on it, was found on the sixth floor, and since Oswald was seen on the sixth floor near the Sniper's Nest by Charles Givens at about 12:05 and by Roy Truly and Officer Baker in the second floor lunchroom about 90 seconds after the final shot, we can reasonably assume that that it was Oswald who had fired all three shots.
Now the only remaining question is when he fired the missing-everything shot.
Brian Roselle and Kevin Scearce point out in their 2020 study that an involuntary "startle" reaction to a loud, unexpected sound like a gunshot does not involve a major L-R head rotation, but "flexion" movements (bending the head and neck forward and downward), instead.
They also point out that seven prime witnesses (including five passengers in the limo: JFK, Jackie, JBC, Nellie, and Kellerman) quickly turned their heads within half-a-second of each other between Z-142 and Z-149, indicating that Oswald's missing-everything shot was at hypothetical Z-124, half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133 and 2.02 seconds before Croft took his photo at Z-161.
Rhetorical question: Can even three of those passengers be shown to have turned their heads quickly within half-a-second of each other in any other part of the Zapruder film up to Z-222?
I haven't looked yet, but I rather doubt it.
https://d7922adf-f499-4a26-96d4-8ab2d521fa35.usrfiles.com/ugd/d7922a_e280e26982b44f2c97c6e6e27026e385.pdf
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Put rhetorically, at what point other than between frames Z-142 and Z-149 do JFK, Jackie, JBC, Nellie, and Kellerman quickly turn their heads within half-a-second of each other?
Note: The turning of their heads signifies their conscious decisions to do so and therefore are not their "startle reactions."
Benjamin Cole:
TC--
Thanks for your comments--
"There were almost 4 seconds between the first and second shots and almost 5 seconds between the second and third shots." --TC
Given that we have no reliable audio of the JFKA, I suppose there is no way to prove beyond reasonable doubt what exactly was the cadence of shots on 11.22.
I will say we have two witnesses in different locations, Gov. JBC and Amos Euins, who both said they believed shots sounded like they were issued by automatic weapons on 11.22. Then we have Secret Service Kellerman, in the limo, describing the shots as coming in a "flurry."
Sheriff Weitzman reported the second two shots were nearly simultaneous.
Pat Speer did some compilations, and most witnesses reported a "bang....bang-bang" sequence.
I find it hard to reconcile these observations, often from men with experience with firearms, with the five-second gap between the second and third shots, that you posit.
In addition, like JBC's dorsal-side right wrist wound, the James Tague curb-shot seems to defy explanation. I don't have an answer to where that shot came from, and I have never read an answer that holds water.
Like the heavy smell of gunsmoke in DP-GK area in the immediate aftermath of the JFK--when the wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third Street Overpass. How?
The odd man flashing Secret Service credentials on the GK area, to DPD Joe Smith and Sheriff Weitzman. Huh?
I won't pretend to know exactly what happened on 11.22, how JBC received his dorsal-side wrist wound, or Tague his face wound. Why so many witnesses reported the second and third shots as "bang-bang."
Why JBC was still holding his hat at Z-272 in his right hand, if he had already been shot through the wrist.
So, I remain skeptical of the LN explanation of the JFKA.
I am equally skeptical of the vast majority of CT explanations, especially those crafted to promote various ideologies and agendas, or that reflect putrid ethnic biases.
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