Gov. John Connally Was Not Struck By a Tumbling Bullet

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Online Benjamin Cole

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In the photo below, you see the rear of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt, and the small round hole where a bullet entered the Governor.

The existing shirt-hole has actually been enlarged, legitimately so, when the FBI removed some fabric for testing. If I recall correctly, the HSCA did the same thing.

Gov. JBC's rear back wound was "debrided" in surgery, that is injured flesh was removed, resulting in a larger scar area than the initial wound. How the HSCA's Baden and Blakey missed this...I guess it did not occur to them to examine JBC's clothing.

The large, 1+1/4 inch-long slug that entered Gov. JBC was not tumbling.



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Online Tom Graves

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Re: Gov. John Connally Was Not Struck By a Tumbling Bullet
« Reply #1 on: Today at 03:06:01 AM »
In the photo below, you see the rear of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt, and the small round hole where a bullet entered the Governor.

The existing shirt-hole has actually been enlarged, legitimately so, when the FBI removed some fabric for testing. If I recall correctly, the HSCA did the same thing.

Gov. JBC's rear back wound was "debrided" in surgery, that is injured flash was removed, resulting in a larger scar area than the initial wound. How the HSCA's Baden and Blakey missed this...I guess it did not occur to them to examine JBC's clothing.

The large, 1+1/4 inch-long slug that entered Gov. JBC was not tumbling.



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Online John Mytton

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Re: Gov. John Connally Was Not Struck By a Tumbling Bullet
« Reply #2 on: Today at 04:00:45 AM »
I already addressed this, but here it is again.

Thanks Ben, I looked into this and researched what happens to fabric when acted upon with a bullet because at face value something didn't add up, for a start the hole appears to be square and the dimensions of the hole exceed the size of a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet and on either side of the hole, the fabric was excessively ragged.

Then as they say in the classics, corroborated evidence is some of the best evidence, so I went back to Dr. Gregory's testimony where he says that the bullet entrance was linear and perhaps 3/4 of an inch long and looking closely at the higher quality image of Connally's shirt it became immediately apparent that the shredding started at a point which corresponds with the approximate size of the actual wound, now we are getting somewhere.
So next I investigated the properties of fabric after a bullet passed through and as I posted, in every example the hole was far less than the diameter of the bullet and in each case we see the familiar shredding as seen on Connally shirt. Ergo the bullet struck Connally's shirt while the bullet was yawing.

Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.












One fact to add is that CE399 was flattened on one side which indicates that after
CE399 enters Connally at an angle at a relatively high speed, it smashed through his ribs side on which resulted in only one side being flattened!



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Re: Gov. John Connally Was Not Struck By a Tumbling Bullet
« Reply #3 on: Today at 05:38:01 AM »
I already addressed this, but here it is again.

Thanks Ben, I looked into this and researched what happens to fabric when acted upon with a bullet because at face value something didn't add up, for a start the hole appears to be square and the dimensions of the hole exceed the size of a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet and on either side of the hole, the fabric was excessively ragged.

Then as they say in the classics, corroborated evidence is some of the best evidence, so I went back to Dr. Gregory's testimony where he says that the bullet entrance was linear and perhaps 3/4 of an inch long and looking closely at the higher quality image of Connally's shirt it became immediately apparent that the shredding started at a point which corresponds with the approximate size of the actual wound, now we are getting somewhere.
So next I investigated the properties of fabric after a bullet passed through and as I posted, in every example the hole was far less than the diameter of the bullet and in each case we see the familiar shredding as seen on Connally shirt. Ergo the bullet struck Connally's shirt while the bullet was yawing.

Mr. SPECTER - What did the wound of entry look like, Doctor?
Dr. GREGORY - It appeared to me that the wound of entry was sort of a linear wound, perhaps three-quarters of an inch in length with a rounded central portion. Whereas, the wound of exit was rather larger than this, perhaps an inch and a half across.












One fact to add is that CE399 was flattened on one side which indicates that after
CE399 enters Connally at an angle at a relatively high speed, it smashed through his ribs side on which resulted in only one side being flattened!



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That's exactly right, John.  The size of a bullet hole in fabric does nothing to tell you whether the bullet entered straight-on, entered at an angle or was tumbling.

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Re: Gov. John Connally Was Not Struck By a Tumbling Bullet
« Reply #4 on: Today at 08:20:58 AM »
JM

Thanks for your civil and thoughtful reply.

Sure, look to me like the extant hole in the back of Gov, JBC's shirt, even after enlargement, is too small...indeed just large enough to accommodate a roughly 1/4 diameter of the Western Cartridge 6.5 millimeter slug.

I do wish we had photos of the original JBC bullet hole, before it was enlarged twice (WC and HSCA) by technicians.

The hole in the rear of JFK's assassination-day shirt is larger than the hole in JBC's shirt.

Yes, the assassin's slug was traveling at a downward angle when it struck JBC, leaving an ovoid wound. If Gov. JBC was "leaning backwards" at the moment he was struck, the ovoid shape would become more pronounced.

Well, we are on different pages on this one.

Just IMHO.