Interview With JFK Assassination Witness Mary Lea Williams In Dealey Plaza

[Tom Graves]

The same Mother and child in Altgens 6

I identified that woman and child as Peggy Joyce Hawkins (né Bibler) and her four-year-old son, Johnny, back in January 2016 at the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum.

She was standing on the "island" in this Altgens photo.

[John Mytton]

  Why is nobody addressing the 1,000 elephant in the room? What she describes the JFK Limo doing is Not on the Current Zapruder Film. "The car momentarily Stopped and Pulled Slightly To The Side and then took off at High Speed". Her description does validate Motorcycle Officer Hargis "rolling stop" and ASAIC Kellerman claiming the JFK Limo suddenly accelerated to the point of, "jumped out of the G.D. street".  Again, none of this is on the Current Zapruder Film.

A rolling stop means the car DIDN'T stop!

Definition of a Rolling Stop
USLegal.com defines a rolling stop as any time you don't come to a complete stop at an interaction. This means your wheels will still be in motion. Your speedometer will likely register less than 5 mph.
https://www.idrivesafely.com/defensive-driving/trending/what-is-rolling-stop/

Mr. HARGIS - ......And at that time the Presidential car slowed down.

I don't think Zapruder critics realize that the changes they suggest were impossible;
For example, say you remove frames then how do you have the people outside moving towards the Limo not be affected by the frame removal and that goes for the Limo passengers, there is no sudden jumps and everyone has constant motion. And then you have the problem of the Limo, it doesn't stop and start on a dime but has to come to a stop and then has to gain speed to go again, so at what two points in the "original" Zapruder film do you snip the film to show the slowing Limo and how do you account for the multiple people elements and the missing yards to account for the slow down, stop and reacceleration?
This may be difficult to grasp but to have an end product that equals the "Current" Zapruder film we need to edit out a stop, so we match the Limo's approach speed of say 8mph and edit that with a departure speed of 8mph but what happens to the footage in between? The Limo has travelled some distance, the people outside didn't become statues and likewise the occupants of the Limo have continued to move.



JohnM

[Robin Unger]

[Robin Unger]

Mary positioned herself as being about half way between the first and second light poles.
on the curbside, slightly West of the Depository Building.

[Royell Storing]

A rolling stop means the car DIDN'T stop!

Definition of a Rolling Stop
USLegal.com defines a rolling stop as any time you don't come to a complete stop at an interaction. This means your wheels will still be in motion. Your speedometer will likely register less than 5 mph.
https://www.idrivesafely.com/defensive-driving/trending/what-is-rolling-stop/

Mr. HARGIS - ......And at that time the Presidential car slowed down.

I don't think Zapruder critics realize that the changes they suggest were impossible;
For example, say you remove frames then how do you have the people outside moving towards the Limo not be affected by the frame removal and that goes for the Limo passengers, there is no sudden jumps and everyone has constant motion. And then you have the problem of the Limo, it doesn't stop and start on a dime but has to come to a stop and then has to gain speed to go again, so at what two points in the "original" Zapruder film do you snip the film to show the slowing Limo and how do you account for the multiple people elements and the missing yards to account for the slow down, stop and reacceleration?
This may be difficult to grasp but to have an end product that equals the "Current" Zapruder film we need to edit out a stop, so we match the Limo's approach speed of say 8mph and edit that with a departure speed of 8mph but what happens to the footage in between? The Limo has travelled some distance, the people outside didn't become statues and likewise the occupants of the Limo have continued to move.



JohnM

   JOHN - Thanks for posting that NIX Film footage. I intentionally did Not get into the Nix Film, due to the Original Nix Film being MIA for decades.
              I specifically mentioned the Zapruder Film due to numerous Eyewitness accounts not matching up to what is on the Current Zapruder Film. And if we go back to the weekend of the assassination, we also have CBS News Reporter Dan Rather viewing a Z Film Copy, and then detailing to the World numerous times, what he saw on that Zapruder Film copy. Rather detailed that the Zapruder Film that he viewed showed the JFK Limo making the wide turn onto Elm St. And, the Rather Z Film variations only mounted from that point forward vs the Current Zapruder Film  This newly discovered eyewitness, is yet another log onto the blazing fire of the Current Zapruder Film being at odds with a JFK Assassination eyewitness account.   

[Marjan Rynkiewicz]

I reckon that on Friday Nov 22 1963 she was 17 ft east of where we know jfk was when he was shot by Oswald at Z218.
But during that there later interview she got confused & claimed that she had been standing at a location which we know was near where jfk was shot in the head by Hickey at Z312.
Anyhow her verbal words & her written words were/are of allmost zero value.

[Royell Storing]

I reckon that on Friday Nov 22 1963 she was 17 ft east of where we know jfk was when he was shot by Oswald at Z218.
But during that there later interview she got confused & claimed that she had been standing at a location which we know was near where jfk was shot in the head by Hickey at Z312.
Anyhow her verbal words & her written words were/are of allmost zero value.

       You can't fix this woman's standing position based on the child wearing a Red Sock Hat. We do Not Know that is the, "4 yr old son" she was talking about. I believe the confusion about where she was standing is due to cavalierly accepting that as being the "4 yr old".