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Oswald's strange behaviour and lies regarding the long brown paper rifle bag.
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Michael Capasse on April 18, 2026, 10:58:05 PM ---
Mr. BALL - Did you usually walk up there together.
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; we did.
Mr. BALL - Is this the first time that he had ever walked ahead of you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir...
Means nothing. Frazier chose to stay behind
Mr. BALL - You didn't get out immediately then?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I was sitting there, say, looked at my watch and somewhere around 7 or 8 minutes until and I saw we had a few minutes and I sat there, and as I say you can see the Freeway, Stemmons Freeway, from the warehouse and also the trains coming back and forth and I was sitting there.
What I was doing--glanced up and watching cars for a minute but I was letting my engine run and getting to charge up my battery, because when you stop and start you have to charge up your battery.
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Oops!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept walking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
JohnM
John Mytton:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 18, 2026, 09:15:37 PM ---Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package
If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.
Now I could easily believe that a self avowed Marxist whom was a traitor to his country after taking vows as a USMC soldier and defected to the USSR could be a liar.
However whatever was stated by Oswald in private interviews which were not camera recorded or voice recorded and without attorney present, is subject to reasonable doubt.
I agree with JohnMs main premise that Oswald’s actions are “strange” but I’m not sure that constitutes a conclusion of guilt for shooting Tippit or indicative of preplanned assassination of JFK.
One example of “strange “ behavior that is counter to what one would expect of a guy carrying a rifle is that Oswald did not immediately take the package out of Fraziers car and start walking to the TSBD. According to Fraziers WC testimony , Oswald waited by a fence with the package in hand for several minutes while Frazier ran the engine of his car apparently because his battery was weak or his alternator wasn’t charging the battery enough.
The only other examples which MIGHT be interpreted as evidence of lies are the 2 the camera recordings of Oswald:
A. When asked in the hallway the specific question “Did you shoot the President”? Oswald’s answer was “I didn’t shoot anybody” which indicates possibly a subconscious presumption he’s being asked about shooting Tippit also.
B. At the midnight conference, when asked again “Did you shoot the President? Oswald’s initial answer was “Nobody has charged me with that yet” and “ I really don’t know what this is all about”, after which statements Oswald must have recalled his earlier hallway answer , and corrected himself by saying “The first I heard of it was when I was asked by a reporter”.
So Oswald trying to pretend : “I don’t know what this is all about “ realized too late that he DID know what it’s all about because he just earlier had answered that he hadn’t shot ANYBODY. And he also had stated that “they”were taking him in because he had lived in the USSR and that he was just a patsy.
Since many CTs , (myself included 🙄 ) were all too willing to believe FBI agent Hosty note that Oswald had gone outside to watch the P.Parade, then it might be evidence that Oswald lied since the “Prayerman” figure has been reasonably concluded NOT to be Oswald.
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--- Quote ---Oswald placed the package on the backseat of Fraziers car. That’s not “hiding” the package
If he had put the package in the trunk , maybe, but placing it on the back seat in plain view is not hiding.
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Thanks Zeon, by Oswald's immediate actions, he clearly didn't want to be standing around holding his very conspicuous large brown paper package, so hid it away in Frazier's car. He already explained to Frazier the previous day that the package contained Curtain Rods so he didn't need to hide it from Frazier specifically but who knows how many witnesses may have seen him waiting for Frazier, like neighbours, Linnie Mae, anyone! He was trying to keep as many eyes off the package as reasonably possible. Obviously the problem was trying to get the package into the building, do it first thing in the morning?, go back a little later?
Oswald ended up getting it done as soon as possible and by his decision to quickly move into the TSBD at a pace far greater than Frazier, indicates he meant business!
In Frazier's testimony, Oswald waited at the relative safe cyclone fence till Frazier got out of the car, and I wonder what was going through Oswald's mind?
Should Oswald appear to be inconspicuous and wait for Frazier and keep their standard procedure and walk together?
Should Oswald just walk off quickly and risk it?
Should Oswald put the rifle package back in the car and get it later?
Was he scouting the area and waiting for as few people as possible to be outside?
As I said it's impossible to know what the psychotic Oswald was thinking and why he did what he did, but one thing is extremely clear, when the opportunity arose he got into the building as quick as he could!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept waking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/frazierb4.htm
JohnM
Michael Capasse:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on April 19, 2026, 01:50:16 AM ---Oops!
When we started walking, Lee was just a few feet ahead of me, but he kept walking faster than me, and finally got way ahead of me.
JohnM
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so what? Frazier stayed behind. Did you win something?
::) have a lollipop!
Benjamin Cole:
JM-
The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.
It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.
Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.
Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.
I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.
But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.
LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.
LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.
Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative?
LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.
Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on April 19, 2026, 10:41:19 AM ---JM-
The HSCA was a group of smart and skeptical people, and they concluded LHO owned the M-C rife (technically a carbine) in question.
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They were congressmen. Do you think we send our best and brightest people to Congress? As for skeptical, they weren't the least bit skeptical about the acoustic evidence on which they based their erroneous conclusion of a fourth shot and a second shooter.
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It sure looks like LHO carried a suspicious bundle into the TSBD6 on 11.22, and then slender light-skinned male was seen (by Howard Brennan) firing three shots from the TSBD6 sniper window in the direction of the limo, while gunfire rang out.
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I believe Brennan only located Oswald in time to see the final shot. He would have had no reason to be looking in that direction when the first shot was fired.
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Three loud shots were heard inside the TSBD during the JFKA, three shells found in the TSBD6 sniper window.
Not one eyewitness said they saw LHO while shots rang out. LHO was invisible. The Prayer-woman image is risible.
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Brennan is one eyewitness and he saw Oswald fire the third shot.
--- Quote ---I would lay heavy odds LHO was the TSBD6 sniper.
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I would put it at 100%
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But, IMHO, LHO could not have perped the GK smoke-and-bang-show, nor fired rounds that struck Gov. JBC ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.
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Nobody fired a shot from the GK. There's no forensic evidence. There is no eyewitness who saw a shooter.
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US State Dep't employees, including the Ambassador to Mexico, lost their jobs for merely wanting to pursue LHO-Cuba leads.
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Hadn't heard that one. Do you have a source for it.
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LHO met with three KGB officers in MC. On a Saturday! LHO may have met G2 ops in New Orleans (says Gus Russo). Alpha 66 had a house on Harlandale in Dallas, where a lone eyewitness placed LHO. Alpha 66 was penetrated by G2.
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Sounds a lot like they embellished stories I've read about for years.
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LHO may have been induced by money, or promise of flight to Cuba, to participate in the JFKA.
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How would anybody in MC have known at the time that Oswald would be working in a building overlooking a motorcade route that hadn't even been planned yet. Nobody even knew there was going to be a motorcade. Why would anybody in MC have any interest in working with Oswald?
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Remember...why did President LBJ direct the WC to conclude with the LN narrative?
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Why are you making things up?
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LBJ, with a lot of good reasons, wanted to avoid a nuke war with Russia.
Also, there just was not much JFKAC there. A small plot, with no oversight or participation by institutions...left no trails to follow, once LHO was dead.
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So would Oswald being a lone assassin.
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