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The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
Zeon Mason:
A. Earlene Roberts described Oswald as wearing a long sleeve shirt when he entered the boarding room. (She couldn’t tell what color) She said Oswald left the room wearing and zipping up a jacket which appeared to her darker than CE 162 the light gray jacket.(still could not tell what color).
B. Since CE 163, the Blue gray jacket was allegedly found in the Domino room albeit unknown whom found it, then either Oswald left CE 163 there or it was moved there a month later for some unknown reason.
C. Frazier describes Oswald wearing a jacket that was similar to the CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Friday.
D. McWatters the bus driver, said he saw the man to whom the bus transfer ticket was given, wearing a jacket. McWatters was not asked about the color of the jacket.
E. Whaley the taxi driver said he thought Oswald was wearing a jacket but what the color was could be either jacket.
F. Bledsoe said she was on McWatters bus and saw Oswald wearing the brown shirt with the hole in the sleeve.
A thru E can be reconciled as supporting a proposition that Oswald wore CE 162 to work Friday, then left TSBD Friday wearing it , then wore it on McWatters bus , wore it in Whaleys taxi and then Oswald entered the boarding house wearing it and finally left his room STILL wearing it and zipping it up.
Bledsoe cannot be reconciled at all with these other witnesses therefore she must be mistaken or she just wanted to claim she saw the hole because she already despised Oswald from previous experience as his landlady.
Thus the solution for the Blue Jacket found in the Domino Room may be that Oswald wore Both CE163 the Blue gray jacket and CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Thursday morning and left CE 163 in the Domino room on Thursday afternoon. Oswald wore just CE 162 when he got the ride with Frazier Thursday afternoon.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 23, 2026, 11:42:37 PM ---A. Earlene Roberts described Oswald as wearing a long sleeve shirt when he entered the boarding room. (She couldn’t tell what color) She said Oswald left the room wearing and zipping up a jacket which appeared to her darker than CE 162 the light gray jacket.(still could not tell what color).
B. Since CE 163, the Blue gray jacket was allegedly found in the Domino room albeit unknown whom found it, then either Oswald left CE 163 there or it was moved there a month later for some unknown reason.
C. Frazier describes Oswald wearing a jacket that was similar to the CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Friday.
D. McWatters the bus driver, said he saw the man to whom the bus transfer ticket was given, wearing a jacket. McWatters was not asked about the color of the jacket.
E. Whaley the taxi driver said he thought Oswald was wearing a jacket but what the color was could be either jacket.
F. Bledsoe said she was on McWatters bus and saw Oswald wearing the brown shirt with the hole in the sleeve.
A thru E can be reconciled as supporting a proposition that Oswald wore CE 162 to work Friday, then left TSBD Friday wearing it , then wore it on McWatters bus , wore it in Whaleys taxi and then Oswald entered the boarding house wearing it and finally left his room STILL wearing it and zipping it up.
Bledsoe cannot be reconciled at all with these other witnesses therefore she must be mistaken or she just wanted to claim she saw the hole because she already despised Oswald from previous experience as his landlady.
Thus the solution for the Blue Jacket found in the Domino Room may be that Oswald wore Both CE163 the Blue gray jacket and CE 162 light gray jacket to work on Thursday morning and left CE 163 in the Domino room on Thursday afternoon. Oswald wore just CE 162 when he got the ride with Frazier Thursday afternoon.
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The problem with your analysis is that Bledsoe could not have seen the hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt if he was wearing a jacket and Oswald's shirt had a hole in it when he was arrested. He had that same shirt on when he shot JFK because fibers matching that shirt were found on the butt plate of his rifle.
Second problem is why would Oswald wear both jackets. It wasn't that cold in Dallas that morning. You put too much faith in witnesses to tell you whether Oswald was wearing a jacket at any given time. Why would anyone notice that. How many passengers do you think McWatters picked up that day. How many of them do you think he could remember what they were wearing. Why would that even matter to him at the time. Same for Whaley. Oswald was just another fare for him at the time. Why would he even pay attention to what Oswald was wearing. These are just the kind of details witnesses get wrong because at the time they are seeing them, there's no reason for them to even make note of what someone was wearing. If they aren't making a mental note of it at the time, there is no reason to think they could remember it when asked about it later. The hard evidence tells us Oswald wore his blue jacket to work, left it in the TSBD when he fled, picked up his light gray jacket when he went to retrieve his revolver at the rooming house, then ditched it after he shot Tippit.
Zeon Mason:
@JC : So you don’t think Oswald was wearing ANY jacket when he left TSBD?
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on April 24, 2026, 12:26:01 AM ---@JC : So you don’t think Oswald was wearing ANY jacket when he left TSBD?
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Definitely not.
My regard for witness testimony has always been consistent. If what they said fits with the other evidence, I believe them. If it doesn't, I don't. Not because I think they lied. I just don't see any reason for them to remember details that would have seemed unimportant to them at the time they saw those details.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 24, 2026, 12:14:00 AM ---The problem with your analysis is that Bledsoe could not have seen the hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt if he was wearing a jacket and Oswald's shirt had a hole in it when he was arrested. He had that same shirt on when he shot JFK because fibers matching that shirt were found on the butt plate of his rifle.
Second problem is why would Oswald wear both jackets. It wasn't that cold in Dallas that morning. You put too much faith in witnesses to tell you whether Oswald was wearing a jacket at any given time. Why would anyone notice that. How many passengers do you think McWatters picked up that day. How many of them do you think he could remember what they were wearing. Why would that even matter to him at the time. Same for Whaley. Oswald was just another fare for him at the time. Why would he even pay attention to what Oswald was wearing. These are just the kind of details witnesses get wrong because at the time they are seeing them, there's no reason for them to even make note of what someone was wearing. If they aren't making a mental note of it at the time, there is no reason to think they could remember it when asked about it later. The hard evidence tells us Oswald wore his blue jacket to work, left it in the TSBD when he fled, picked up his light gray jacket when he went to retrieve his revolver at the rooming house, then ditched it after he shot Tippit.
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The problem with your analysis is that Bledsoe could not have seen the hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt if he was wearing a jacket
Of course she saw it, before her WC testimony, when they brought the shirt Oswald was arrested in to her home and showed it to her.
Mr. BALL - Now, I have got a piece of clothing here, which is marked---
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - Commission Exhibit 150.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - This is a shirt.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is it.
Mr. BALL - What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Because they brought it out to the house and showed it.
Mr. BALL - I know. What do you mean by "that is it?"
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, because I can recognize it.
Mr. BALL - Recognize it as what?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes, sir; see there?
Mr. BALL - Yes. You tell me what do you see here? What permits you to recognize it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I recognize---first thing I notice the elbow is out and then I saw---when the man brought it out and let me see it?
Mr. BALL - No, I am talking about---I am showing you this shirt now, and you said, "That is it." You mean---What do you mean by "that is it"?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - That is the one he had out there that day?
Mr. BALL - Who had it out there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Some Secret Service man.
And this is where she gives up the game;
Mr. BALL - He brought it out. Now, I am---you have seen this shirt then before?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---
Mr. BALL - Have you?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.
She saw Oswald wearing the shirt "before he was shot".
Mr. BALL - Who had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald.
Mr. BALL - Oswald had it on?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Oswald had it on.
Mr. BALL - Now, what is there about the shirt that makes you believe that this is the shirt that Oswald had on when he was on the bus? What is there about it?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, let's see the front of it. Yes See all this [indicating]? I remember that.
Mr. BALL - Tell me what you see there?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - I saw the---no; not so much that. It was done after---that is part I recognize more than anything.
Mr. BALL - You are pointing to a hole in the right elbow?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.
Mr. BALL - What about the color?
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well, I---What do you mean?
Mr. BALL - Well----
Mrs. BLEDSOE - When he had it on?
Mr. BALL - Yes.
Mrs. BLEDSOE - Before he was shot? Yes; I remember it being brown.
Bledsoe was all over the place and her testimony has no corroboration. She saw Oswald wear the shirt after he was arrested and before he was shot.
She recognized the shirt from when it was shown to her at her home.
He had that same shirt on when he shot JFK because fibers matching that shirt were found on the butt plate of his rifle.
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