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The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
Martin Weidmann:
Coming back to a bit of previous conversation. Possibly I may have misunderstood what you were saying when you responded to my remark;
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You couldn't even handle being schooled about the existence of documents about the Frazier polygraph, which you falsely claimed didn't exist and I made up. You even tried to weasel your way out of that one.
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with;
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 23, 2026, 04:09:55 PM ---
My memory isn't as sharp as it once was but I don't recall making such a statement and given your propensity for creating strawman arguments by making up things that other people never actually said, I sure as hell am not going to take your word for it. Please tell us the thread, the date, and the time I made such a statement. If you can't do that, I'll take that as a tacit admission you made this one up too.
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You probably referred to this;
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 16, 2026, 09:33:01 PM ---
Note to Martin Wiedmann:
This is how one provides a cite to support a statement one has made. I realize it's not possible for you to do this when you have just made something up out of thin air.
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--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 16, 2026, 09:58:35 PM ---
I didn't know how to post images on this forum, but I've had some help, so here is the evidence that you said didn't exist.
Consider yourself schooled!
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--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 16, 2026, 10:19:40 PM ---OK. I was wrong. You didn't make this up. You just lied about it. Earlier, you stated:
"The fact remains that Frazier passed the test and that was enough to cause massive panic by Lt Day"
Please point out anything in either document you posted that Day exhibited "massive panic". Sounds like Day's reaction was rather matter of fact.
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Let me guess, you are now going to make a big deal out of the fact that I used the words "didn't exist" when you actually said I "just made something up out of thin air."
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 23, 2026, 07:32:33 PM ---You are really rationalizing your duplicitous conduct, aren't you?
No. It's not my problem thay you don't understand what quotation marks are used for.
You wouldn't say why you don't think it was a coincidence because that would put the burden on your to show evidence for your claim. I'm going to guess you are implying the fiber evidence was planted even though we both know you have no evidence that happened. If that's not what you were implying, why don't you tell us what you were implying when you said it was no coincidence.
Nice one. Moving the goalpost away from your ridiculous claims that fibers prove who fired the rifle and/of that it was Oswald's jacket that was found under the car.
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That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.
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Thank you for confirming that I do not need to show evidence because I never made any claim.
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You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe. You seem to be more interested in playing word games. I've seen your kind before over the last 35 years. People who troll forums just to play word games without ever saying what they believe because that would require you to support what you say.
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It's actually a lot more fun to see you speculate, and you instantly started doing exactly that. What makes you think that I think fiber evidence was planted? If fibers similar to Oswald's shirt were found in a jacket that we know belonged to Oswald, then there is no reason to believe the fibers were planted. As for the rifle and the fibers found on that; if you claim those fibers matched the shirt Oswald was wearing on Friday morning, you need to prove that and it's pretty obvious you can't.
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More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.
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A jury convicted Wayne Williams primarily on fiber evidence. Apparently they didn't think it was BS. Neither do most thinking people. So tell us why fiber evidence was proof beyond a reasonable doubt in the Wayne Williams case but isn't probative in the case against Oswald.
I know nothing about that case, but even if that case and Oswald's case were perfectly similar, that still doesn't mean you will automatically the same outcome. A jury can be swayed by the arguments of a good prosecutor or defence lawyer (remember O.J.'s "I it don't fit you must aquit) and frequently juries get it wrong. All you need to look at are all the cases the innocence project has gotten overturned. You can't compare one case to another, no matter how hard you try.
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I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.
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Apparently they didn't think it was BS. Neither do most thinking people.
Just how many "thinking people" have you talked to, to justify that claim?
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The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.
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Cite just one respected news or historical publication that doesn't identify Oswald as the assassin. I would have no problem citing plenty that do.
I don't use history books or other material written by writers with an agenda, so I'm not going to do that. The only JFKA related book I've ever read is the WC report. I stayed well clear of all the other opinions by so-called researchers on both side. What I know about the case is what I found out by doing my own research. You should try it....
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You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.
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But I'll throw you a bone; even the plaque fixed to the former TSBD building says "when Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shot and killed President Kennedy. Say enough, really....
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The fact the built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.
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You really are an optimist if you think 500 years from now you and your CT comrades will be vindicated.
Silly remark, which only shows your "us against them" mindset. I don't have CT comrades and I don't have to be vindicated for the simple fact of rejecting the BS you're trying to sell about this entire case.
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You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.
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Very convenient. By remaining agnostic, you relieve yourself of the burden of providing evidence to support your beliefs.
So, now you are a mind reader? What beliefs should I be supporting? I've told you what I think and even that's not good enough for you. Stop nagging, will ya!
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I've come to realize you have no beliefs. You're a troll.
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Every poll I remember doesn't even bother to ask people if the think Oswald was innocent. Apparently they pollsters take it as a given that Oswald was guilty. Given the amount of evidence against him, that is a very understandable POV. I have a vague memory of seeing a poll somewhere that included the option that Oswald was completely innocent and that number was in the single digits. I've searched for a poll that offers that as a choice and have come up empty. If you know of such a poll, by all means, post it.
Oh boy, you claimed that "even among CTs, the majority belief is that Oswald was one of the assassins.". No mention of polls or anything. So, why don't we start with you claim and you provide evidence for it? If you don't, I'll take that as an admission for you making it up.
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I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 23, 2026, 09:20:00 PM ---That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.
You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe. You seem to be more interested in playing word games. I've seen your kind before over the last 35 years. People who troll forums just to play word games without ever saying what they believe because that would require you to support what you say.
More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.
I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.
The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.
You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.
The fact the built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.
You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.
I've come to realize you have no beliefs. You're a troll.
I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.
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Wow, what a great example of LN rage and frustration! :D :D :D :D :D :D
That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.
That's just another way of saying; with speculation and assumptions you can reach any conclusion you like (btw I left the quotation marks out so you won't get confused again)
You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe.
What I actually believe is that you haven't got sufficient credible evidence to support your wild claims.
You seem to be more interested in playing word games.
Project much?
More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.
Just as I thought. You can't provide evidence for your claims about the fibers.
I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.
What a silly remark. You are the one who is constantly going on about what a jury would do.
The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.
So, you've talked to none.... Thanks for clearing that up.
You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.
That's only because you are so self-involved that you are not paying attention.
The fact the [sic] built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.
Gary Mack once told Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries that they have never been able to place Oswald at the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. Chief Curry has said something similar. Everybody has an opinion. Your opinion isn't automatically the right one, even if you will never accept that it isn't.
But I will give you this. The 6th floor museum, although promoting the official narrative, is, unlike you, fair enough to allow and accept people who disagree with the official narrative to speak their mind.
A couple of year ago, they interviewed Wesley Buell Frasier, who was clear about how he saw Oswald carry the paper bag. It is now part of their record and that's how a museum should function.
I would have preferred a different approach than to go with the official narrative, but I fully understand why they did. Having said that, an actual museum normally doesn't promote a narrative but just tries to present the facts about what happened.
You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.
Tell the truth, weasel. You don't like me because I ask questions you don't like and can not answer. Stop whining and grow up!
I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.
And yet another example of how you can't support your pathetic claims with evidence.
Btw, I understand that you are stuck and can't find the way out. I'm not holding it against you.
John Corbett:
--- Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 23, 2026, 09:48:06 PM ---Wow, what a great example of LN rage and frustration! :D :D :D :D :D :D
That is what the fibers indicate for anyone capable of adding 2 + 2 and getting the right answer. I guess that leaves you out.
That's just another way of saying; with speculation and assumptions you can reach any conclusion you like (btw I left the quotation marks out so you won't get confused again)
You seem to lack the intellectual courage to actually tell us what you believe.
What I actually believe is that you haven't got sufficient credible evidence to support your wild claims.
You seem to be more interested in playing word games.
Project much?
More trolling. You add nothing to the discourse.
Just as I thought. You can't provide evidence for your claims about the fibers.
I don't need a jury to tell me Oswald murdered two men on 11/22/1963 and you don't need a jury to play your silly games.
What a silly remark. You are the one who is constantly going on about what a jury would do.
The same number as I had before I started engaging with you.
So, you've talked to none.... Thanks for clearing that up.
You've never given any indication you know shit about the case. You're only here to play games. That's pretty obvious.
That's only because you are so self-involved that you are not paying attention.
The fact the [sic] built a museum on the same floor Oswald fired his shots from and created a glassed in enclosure around the location he fired from and installed a webcam there is a better indication of who they believe killed JFK.
Gary Mack once told Dutch reporter Peter R. de Vries that they have never been able to place Oswald at the sniper's nest when the shots were fired. Chief Curry has said something similar. Everybody has an opinion. Your opinion isn't automatically the right one, even if you will never accept that it isn't.
But I will give you this. The 6th floor museum, although promoting the official narrative, is fair enough to allow people who disagree with the official narrative to speak their mind.
A couple of year ago, they interviewed Wesley Buell Frasier, who was clear about how he saw Oswald carry the paper bag. It is now part of their record and that's how a museum should function.
I would have preferred a different approach than to go with the official narrative, but I fully understand why they did. Having said that, an actual museum normally doesn't promote a narrative but just tries to present the facts about what happened.
You don't seem to have a pair either. I respect people who will say what they believe and defend those beliefs honestly, even if I disagree with them. That doesn't include you. You get your jollies by trolling. You've made that obvious.
Tell the truth, weasel. You don't like me because I ask questions you don't like and can not answer. Stop whining and grow up!
I'm done playing your silly ass trolling games. When you grow the stones to tell us what you believe and are willing to support those beliefs, let me know. Until then, you aren't worth the time of day.
And yet another example of how you can't support your pathetic claims with evidence.
Btw, I understand that you are stuck and can't find the way out. I'm not holding it against you.
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Go away, troll
Martin Weidmann:
--- Quote from: John Corbett on April 23, 2026, 11:26:08 PM ---Go away, troll
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Did I hit a nerve?
Did your "powers of persuasion" (see what I did there with the quotation marks?) fail you?
If you can't stand the heat, perhaps you should stay out of the kitchen :D
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