Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272

[John Corbett]

I see in this Z260-Z290 range  that JC’s right shoulder appears to be rotating in the opposite direction from what would normally be expected from an impact of a 2000ft/ sec bullet hitting (presumably) the right of his upper back and exiting the right side of chest . Hitting the mass to the right of center of mass will usually impart angular momentum causing that mass to spin about the vertical axis ( JCs vertical spine) in the direction the bullet is traveling.

But I am not a physics expert , nor do I know for  certain the angle of this Z270 bullet hitting JC. If the bullet deflected rightward  going out of his chest, that might induce  some % of counterspin which could cancel out the initial entry spin.

I think it’s going to require an experiment with some replica human bodies that include head  arms and legs ( and a hat in the right hand of the JC model) to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot theory.

Generally I think probably most of the LNs prefer Z224 as a shot because of the forward movement of JC and his right shoulder rotating counter clockwise at Z225-Z230 to be indicative of transfer of momentum caused by bullet impact.

Note: As JC begins to lean back into Mrs Cs Lap, I think Andrew might concede that the expression on JCs face is “painful “ especially if I suggest that he has just felt the “ impact of the Z270 bullet 🙂

Why would you need an experiment to know how ludicrous this theory is?

[Zeon Mason]

Why would you need an experiment to know how ludicrous this theory is?

Yes it does seem ludicrous which is why it’s on Andrew and not us, to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot , beyond just his drawings and words which is why I suggested that it would take an experiment to overcome the many logically deduced criticisms that you and I and others have posted in this thread.

[John Corbett]

Yes it does seem ludicrous which is why it’s on Andrew and not us, to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot , beyond just his drawings and words which is why I suggested that it would take an experiment to overcome the many logically deduced criticisms that you and I and others have posted in this thread.

I've gone around and around with him pointing out the flaws in his theory but he still clings to it. It seems absurd on the face of it and gets even more ridiculous the deeper you dive into it. He has an infatuation with certain eye and ear witnesses as if they are empirical evidence of what happened rather than looking at the much more reliable hard evidence available. The Z-film is a better witness than all the human witnesses combined. It has told us within a few 18ths of a second when the second and third shots struck JFK. The evidence for when the first missed shot was fired is a little less definitive but I believe there are very strong clues for that although not everyone agrees with my assessment. Combining the Z-film with the recovery of the bullets, the shells, the rifle, the rifle bag, fiber evidence on the rifle and the bag, finger and palm prints prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and seriously wounded JBC. Andrew chooses to ignore the solid evidence of the SBT and invent his own lone gunman scenario which makes absolutely no sense. I'm done pointing out the flaws in his scenario. He continues to believe he has discovered something that armies of researchers, both LN and CT, missed. He is a cult of one and it is going to remain that way. In 35 years of debating the assassination online, I've never come across anyone who believes a scenario even similar to his. I will confess that when I was a newbie to the discussion way back in 1991, I tried to come up with a similar lone gunman scenario that didn't involve the SBT. I think I had JFK hit sometime in the Z180s, JBC in the Z230s, and of course the Z313 headshot. Finally, I had to give way to common sense and admit to myself that there were way to many flaws in what I had pieced together to continue believing it. I realized the SBT is the lynchpin of the lone gunman theory. Without it, there had to be two shooters. However, we don't have to do without it. The SBT has stood the test of time and all efforts to tear it down.

I doubt Andrew will ever let go of his theory. If he was going to do so, he would have done so by now. I first came across it on John McAdams' forum way back in 2008 and I don't know how long he had been pushing it then. Nobody was buying it back then and nobody is buying it now, but he keeps on trying to sell it without success.

[Andrew Mason]

Yes it does seem ludicrous which is why it’s on Andrew and not us, to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot , beyond just his drawings and words which is why I suggested that it would take an experiment to overcome the many logically deduced criticisms that you and I and others have posted in this thread.

I wanted to try an experiment but I had trouble finding someone who would agree to be shot.  There was also a problem in drafting an effective consent form but I never got that far.

[Zeon Mason]

I wanted to try an experiment but I had trouble finding someone who would agree to be shot.  There was also a problem in drafting an effective consent form but I never got that far.

I’m serious about an experiment with replica  (not real ) human bodies.

And I would like an actually CORRECT set up of the SN with boxes and pipes and a tree and a curving  road and the shooter required to not set up in fire position until a car moves past with 2 remote control androids  that can be adjusted and the JC android will be holding a Stetson hat with the  right hand.

I think this could be an interesting opportunity for  Elon Musk to set up this experiment both for testing androids,  Self driving cars AND proving or disproving the viability of the Z190/Z270  sequence shot theory.

[John Corbett]

I’m serious about an experiment with replica  (not real ) human bodies.

And I would like an actually CORRECT set up of the SN with boxes and pipes and and a tree and a curbing road and the shooter required to not set up in a reduction fire position and there’s a car with the 2 remote control androids that can be adjusted and the JC android will be holding a Stetson hat with the right right hand.

I think this could be and interesting  and channeling opportunity for  Elon Musk to set up this experiment both for testing androids,  Self driving cars AND proving or disproving the viability of the Z190/Z270  sequence shot theory.

I think such an experiment would be every expensive and even Elon Musk wouldn't be interested in spending the money to do it. The experiment I would like to see is Oswald's first shot, simulating the low windowsill and the window only raised part way. This would have been an extremely awkward shot which I think would explain why he missed so badly. Having to fire almost vertically would have forced him to raise the butt of the rifle significantly and I think that would have caused him to raise up from a kneeling position to a crouching position. I also wonder with butt of the rifle in such a position, would the bottom of the sash have blocked the view from the scope, forcing him to use the fixed sights. In addition, with JFK about to go under the tree, he might have hurried that shot. It's easy to understand how that shot would have struck the pavement.

[Zeon Mason]

I think such an experiment would be every expensive and even Elon Musk wouldn't be interested in spending the money to do it. The experiment I would like to see is Oswald's first shot, simulating the low windowsill and the window only raised part way. This would have been an extremely awkward shot which I think would explain why he missed so badly. Having to fire almost vertically would have forced him to raise the butt of the rifle significantly and I think that would have caused him to raise up from a kneeling position to a crouching position. I also wonder with butt of the rifle in such a position, would the bottom of the sash have blocked the view from the scope, forcing him to use the fixed sights. In addition, with JFK about to go under the tree, he might have hurried that shot. It's easy to understand how that shot would have struck the pavement.

The TSBD shooter was not likely a professional shooter. It would have been much easier to shoot at a stationary JFK giving a speech. And one shot thru the chest from 200 yds away is not that difficult for the professional.

So the choice of the TSBD points to Oswald because it’s convenient being his place of work. It could also be some other TSBD worker without an alibi such as Jack Dougherty.

The TSBD shooter wasn’t apparently wearing a mask and he exposed himself to being  photographed as he stuck his rifle OUT the window and KEPT it stuck out for several seconds AFTER the last shot fired. That’s not what a professional would likely do.

The CT alternatives  for why a professional shooter would do such stupid actions would be that his employer required him to set up Oswald, or the shooter himself had a personal vendetta against Oswald.

I’m sure some CT has suggested that LBJ had his hit man Malcolm Wallace do the job but why the need to set up Oswald?